An alarming issue - your comments required.

[S.Athar]

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logo ke rawiye or un ki baato'n se hum dilbardashta nahi... hum logo ko un ki jagah per hi rakhne ke aadi hai phir chahe woh koi bhi ho :wink.. so forum chorne ka sawal nahi... ayndah me ke liye negative statements na use kijyega... me kai saal se PG per ho or InshAllah ayndah saalo mein bhi rahongi.... :wink..

بہت اچھے بالکل یہی اُمید تھی آپ سے کیونکہ ایسے اوپن فورمز کو چھوٹی موٹی باتوں میں چھوڑنابھی نہیں چاہئے بلکہ اس کے زریعے تو ہم ایک دوسرے کے نقطہ نظر کو باآسانی سمجھ سکتے ہیں۔:clap:۔

[Mr.Khan]

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Ye sub apne mazhub se doori ka nateeja hai,

[Admin]

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Bakwas band karo Mr. Admin. Tumhein teeli laganay ke ilawa aur koi kaam nahi aata? Aur tu jitna kirdaar ka dhani he wo bhi mein achi tarah se jaanta hoon. Tujay dekh ker mein Shuker ka kalma perhta hoon ke mein tere jesa nahi.

372-haha - Main sirf ON BOARD ki had tak tum sey baat karta hoon - tumhein apney kirdaar per bohat serious soch bichar karney chahiyey mr. Aamir - doosron ko ISLAM ka sabaq dena aur us per fatwey dena aur jab kuchh karney ka waqt aata hai to tumhara zameer murdah ho jata hai.

Aik larki apney ghar ki chaar deewari mein beth ker apni family ko apney waldein ko I love ka card bna ker dey to tumhara ISLAM josh mein aa jata hai - aur tum barrey barrey fatwey ley ker aa jatey ho aur jab tumhein kuchh karney waqt aata hai to tumhara zameer mar jata hai - Itni lambi kahani likhney ki bjaey agar tum yeh likhtey keh MERI GHAIRAT JOSH MEIN AAII AUR MAIN NEY JAA KER UNKEY MUNH PER THAPPAR MARA - to ham sab tum per fakhar kartey - magar nahin - tumhara Islam SIRF bharkein maarney key liyey hai.

Aur main ABHI BHI tumhari zaati aemal per nahin baat kar raha sirf us per baat kar raha hoon jo FATWEY tum doosrey key liyey jharrtey ho. Keep that in mind to be to topic!

[ummid]

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International Hope sahiba, yahan per main off the topic discussion kerna nahi chahta, lekin choonke aap ne bhi aik Moaashart'burai se related he kuch sawaal ker daalay to main in baaton ko bhi topic ka hissa maan ker aap ko matlooba jawaab baham pohanchanay ki kooshish karon ga ta ke aap ke dil ko karaar aa sakay. Lekin is ke saath saath mein is baat ki bhi aap se istadaa karon ga ke aap original topic se related bhi apnay khyaalaat ka izhaar zaroor karein ta ke mein bhi aap kay mookaf se aagah ho sakon. Yani ager aap meri jagah hotein to kia kertein?

Aur ub baat aai prostitutes ki help ki, aap kia samajti hein ke yeh anookha sawaal sirf aap ke he zehan mein aaya ke prostitutes ki life ko jana jaye aur un ke tareek aur rooshan pehluoon se aashnai hasil kerne ke baad kuch aisay ikdaa kiye jaein jin se in ki moaasharti aur deeni islaah ki ja sakay. Ji mein ne bhi kooshish ki aur red light zone mein janay ki jasaarat ki, aisay mein mera aik doost bhi mere saath raha aur hamara objective yeh tha ke kum az kum aik prostitute ko, jo ke hamein waqee lagay ke zulm ka shikaar he ya wo is kaali raat se bahir aana chahti he usay azaad kerwaya ja sakay. Aisay mein hum ne kuch professional prostitutes se discussion bhi ki aur unhein paisay bhi diye ta ke hamein required information bhi aasani se provide ker sakein. Mein apni pocket se aisi larki ko aazad kerwanay ke liye pay kerna chahta tha. Sirf inhein samajnay ke liye mein ne na sirf apna waqt balke hazaaaron rupay kharch bhi kiye. Hamari kooshish mein aur niyaat mein koi khoot na tha, lekin mein ne aaway ka aawa he jub bigra hua dekha to kuch peechay hutt ker apni saee'la'hasil ko tarak ker dia. Lekin ager future mein bhi mujay koi real case nazar aaya to mein man-o-un us larki ki help kerna chahoon ga. Us ke liye waqt bhi kharch karon ga aur paisa bhi.

Ager aap meri is baat ki tasdeek kerna chahti hein to mein aap ko PG ki aik member se (jis se mein apna plan aur is ke results discuss kia kerta tha aur bataya kerta tha ke meri is kooshish mein kahan kahan failure hua) batata raha. Mein aap ko msn per un member ka naam bata doon ga ta ke aap meri is baat ki un se direct tasdeeek ker sakein.

Hope I have met your satisfaction level to some extent, now I want you to poke ur nose into my topic and have your rational say.

Aap ke dimaag ke keeray maarnay ki dawa ya to aijaad nahi ho pai ya phir mujay wo dawa nahi mil pai. Mera khyaal he ke mein aap ko is topic per MSN per kaafi explain ker chuka. Ager aap chahti hein ke mein publicly is baat ko re-explain karon to janaab aap aik baar hukam keejiye mein public ke liye bhi us baad ko explain kerne ko teyaar hoon. Pata nahi aap ka satisfaction level itna high kyoon he, ke aik baat aik baar explain ker dene ke baad bhi aap ki tashnagi khatam nahi ho pa rahi.

Mujay pata nahi aisa kyoon lagta he ke ke aap oppose kerne ke liye particular topic ki bajaye particular fard ko chunti hein. Khair oppose kerne ka haq aap ko baherhaal hay, mein aap se yeh haq nahi cheenon ga. Lekin aap apna view point zara khul ke beyaan karein aur behas baraye behas ki bajaye ground realities ko consider keejiye ga, jahan mein ghalat hua to apna sar'ham kr lon ga aur jahan aap huein to aap apna dil bara keejiye ga.

mr Aamir javed.... ager aap humare liye yeh keh rahe hain tu hum bhi apna view point aap ko kai baar sumjha chuke hain.... per aap hain ke :| or haan aap ko pata ho ya na ho hume zaroor pata hai ke aap satisfaction level itna high kyun hai ke aap ek hi baat baar baar logo ko bata ker bhi satisfied nahi hote.... :|

or rahi baat Tasdeeq ki tu Insaan apna gawaah aap bane... :| me ko Qatai zaroorat nahi ke me kisi ko call kar ke poocho... aap ne ek accha amal kiya... apne liye... I appritate it... Allah aap ko is ka behtreen ajar de aameen

and one more thing aap ground realities ko consider karte hain tu hum underground realities ko.... :wink tu aap ka apna duniya dekhne ka nazriya hai or humara apna.... :thmbup

and last but not least... aate hain aap ke topic ki taraf tu me ab tak bus ek cases ko roka hai aise.... hum chaar larkiyaan thi or ek young couple hum logo se kuch fasle per BZ the... tub hum logo ne kaha tha unhe "maintain safe distance... dont be an insult for your parents and teachers"..... kuch itne ghusse se kaha tha ke woh log chale gaye wahan se bakte jhakte.... or is ke illawah me ka un sides mein jana na ke barabar hai jahan yahan yeh sub hota hai... jaise Lover spots wagerah.... or college mein, humare canteen mein tu tasweerein le ker seedhe principal ko dikhaai jaati hai :lol or unhe punish kiya jata hai... :$.....

[Admin]

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My following comment is NOT directed to any one but in general:

Alarming issue yeh nahin jo Aamir ney biyaan kiya hai, balkeh alarming and ringing with BIG BELLS is keh hamari qaum ka zameer is qadar murdah ho chuka hai keh ham apni aankhon key samney behaiyaii dekh ker bhi ussey roktey nahin balkeh chup kar jatey hain - this is the ALARMING ISSUE - keh ham apni tabahi ka bandobast khud kar rahey aur hamein ISLAM ka naam leney ki qatan koi zaroorat nahin kyun keh ISLAM Kirdaar ka naam hai - GUFTAAR ka nahin!

[ummid]

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Is liyey keh yahan per Aamir sahib ka Islam mar geya tha :). Aamir sahib sirf GUFTAR key ghaazi hain KIRDAAR key nahin - kya yeh obvious nahin?

Islam nahi marta Nauzbillah... bande ka Imaan kumzoor hojata hai.... or aamir ne thread tu lagaya woh mr fire ne kaha na Imaan ka last level hi sahi us kaam ko bura jana...:$

baaki sub ke liye ek hi baat: lakum deenakum wa liya deen... :)

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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mr Aamir javed.... ager aap humare liye yeh keh rahe hain tu hum bhi apna view point aap ko kai baar sumjha chuke hain.... per aap hain ke :| or haan aap ko pata ho ya na ho hume zaroor pata hai ke aap satisfaction level itna high kyun hai ke aap ek hi baat baar baar logo ko bata ker bhi satisfied nahi hote.... :|

or rahi baat Tasdeeq ki tu Insaan apna gawaah aap bane... :| me ko Qatai zaroorat nahi ke me kisi ko call kar ke poocho... aap ne ek accha amal kiya... apne liye... I appritate it... Allah aap ko is ka behtreen ajar de aameen

and one more thing aap ground realities ko consider karte hain tu hum underground realities ko.... :wink tu aap ka apna duniya dekhne ka nazriya hai or humara apna.... :thmbup

and last but not least... aate hain aap ke topic ki taraf tu me ab tak bus ek cases ko roka hai aise.... hum chaar larkiyaan thi or ek young couple hum logo se kuch fasle per BZ the... tub hum logo ne kaha tha unhe "maintain safe distance... dont be an insult for your parents and teachers"..... kuch itne ghusse se kaha tha ke woh log chale gaye wahan se bakte jhakte.... or is ke illawah me ka un sides mein jana na ke barabar hai jahan yahan yeh sub hota hai... jaise Lover spots wagerah.... or college mein, humare canteen mein tu humare tasweerein le ker seedhe principal ko dikhaai jaati hai :lol or unhe punish kiya jata hai... :$.....

Would you believe me, mujay apna naam na kabi bhoola he aur na kabi bholna he, tum please remind mut kerwaya karo. Direct mudday pe baat kia karo.

Mein ne ground realities ka word use kia aur tum ne underground realities ka word use ker ke meedaan maar lia, lolz.

Ub tum ne end pe jo misaal di yeh kafi different lagti he un views se jo tum muj se share kerti aa rahi ho. Jis mein tum akser yeh kehti dikhti ho ke yeh moamla un ke aur Allah ke dermeyaan he aur hum loog judgemental kese ho saktay hein. Aur ager aisi baat he to phir hamaray judgemental honay ka criteria koi bhi baki nahi rehta ager hum apni aankhon dekhi aur kaano suni baat per yakeen na karein. Its all about the way we perceive the things. Anyhow tumhara reply mujay pasand aaya, per mein ne tumhein reputation koi nahi deni ;)

[Admin]

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Islam nahi marta Nauzbillah... bande ka Imaan kumzoor hojata hai.... or aamir ne thread tu lagaya woh mr fire ne kaha na Imaan ka last level hi sahi us kaam ko bura jana...:$

baaki sub ke liye ek hi baat: lakum deenakum wa liya deen... :)

Theek kaha - woh to Iqbal aaj sey 100 saal pehley farmaa gaey they keh:

haath bezor hain dil ilhaad sey khoogar hain

shayid yehi hamara almiyah hai :)

[Admin]

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Mr. SAZ - aap merey aur Aamir key darmiyaan kuchh na kahein to behtar hai. Yeh meri baat hai main issey handle kar sakta hoon.

[ummid]

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Would you believe me, mujay apna naam na kabi bhoola he aur na kabi bholna he, tum please remind mut kerwaya karo. Direct mudday pe baat kia karo.

Mein ne ground realities ka word use kia aur tum ne underground realities ka word use ker ke meedaan maar lia, lolz.

Ub tum ne end pe jo misaal di yeh kafi different lagti he un views se jo tum muj se share kerti aa rahi ho. Jis mein tum akser yeh kehti dikhti ho ke yeh moamla un ke aur Allah ke dermeyaan he aur hum loog judgemental kese ho saktay hein. Aur ager aisi baat he to phir hamaray judgemental honay ka criteria koi bhi baki nahi rehta ager hum apni aankhon dekhi aur kaano suni baat per yakeen na karein. Its all about the way we perceive the things. Anyhow tumhara reply mujay pasand aaya, per mein ne tumhein reputation koi nahi deni ;)

I just love your name... me ko baar baar Aamir javed kehna accha lagta hai :wink

so mr aamir javed.... me humesha hi medaan maar leti ho yeh aap bhi jaante hain or hum bhi :D

Me logo ko bura nahi sumjhti un ke amaal ko sumjhti ho... bura kaam bura hi hai chahe koi bhi kare woh kaam bura hi hai.... per yeh bhi hai ke saza jaza ka dene wala Allah hai... hume logo per judgment dene ka koi haq nahi.... hume is kaam ke liye nahi bhaija gaya ke logo ko judge kare baith ker.... hume sahi ghalat bata diya gaya hai or hume bus seedhe raste per chalna koi ghalat raah per dikhe tu usey rokna hai or deen ki tableegh karni hai.. per hum log tableegh chor talqeen karne lag jaate hain... or bus :|.... ager aap ko hidayat naseeb hoi hai tu is mein gharoor kis baat ka... Insaan tub tak ashraf-ul-makhlooqat hai jub tak uske dimagh per aqal ka or dil per haq ka pehra ho... yeh pehra hat jaaye tu Insaan janwar se bhi badtar hai... or hum log nahi jaante ke yeh pehra kub tak hai or kub hat jaaye... (Allah na kare kabhi aisa ho.. aameen) so me ko humesha dar laga rehta hai ke kahein me "gumraah" logo mein na aajao... or isi liye me koshish karti ho ke judgment kabhi na do.... :|.. or isi liye me ne kaha tha me Allahu hafeezun parhne ki aadi ho... Allahmdullilah... :)

[ummid]

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Theek kaha - woh to Iqbal aaj sey 100 saal pehley farmaa gaey they keh:

haath bezor hain dil ilhaad sey khoogar hain

shayid yehi hamara almiyah hai :)

Iqbaal uncle tu bus :|...

[ummid]

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Mr. SAZ - aap merey aur Aamir key darmiyaan kuchh na kahein to behtar hai. Yeh meri baat hai main issey handle kar sakta hoon.

haan mr SAZ aap kuch na kahein... me ho na commentary karne ko :P

[Mr.Khan]

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Iqbaal uncle tu bus :|...

Iqbal u ke uncle thay, mujhy to pata hi nahi tha :p

[ummid]

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Iqbal u ke uncle thay, mujhy to pata hi nahi tha :p

meno bhi nahi pata tha :|

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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Me logo ko bura nahi sumjhti un ke amaal ko sumjhti ho... bura kaam bura hi hai chahe koi bhi kare woh kaam bura hi hai.... per yeh bhi hai ke saza jaza ka dene wala Allah hai... hume logo per judgment dene ka koi haq nahi.... hume is kaam ke liye nahi bhaija gaya ke logo ko judge kare baith ker.... hume sahi ghalat bata diya gaya hai or hume bus seedhe raste per chalna koi ghalat raah per dikhe tu usey rokna hai or deen ki tableegh karni hai.. per hum log tableegh chor talqeen karne lag jaate hain... or bus :|....

Aap loogon ko bura nahi samajti un ke aamal ko bura samajti he, kaan seedhay haath se pakrein ya ultay faraq nahi perta. Buray aamal kerne walay loog buray kehlaatay hein aur achay amaal kerne walay achay loog. Aur apnay aamal se he aik bura insaan aik achay insaan mein badal jata he aur aik acha insaan buray mein. Yeh understood cheezein hein, let's not bother to repeating 'em.

Saza-o-Jaza dene wala Allah he is se koon inkaari he, lekin Allah ne hamaray faraiz mein bhi to kuch cheezein daal ke baiji hein, hum un faraiz ko kese nazar andaaz ker dein. Jesa ke Saz aur thefire ne bhi quote ker chukay hein "ke burai ko haathon se roknay ka hukam dia gaya he, ager nahi to zuban se aur ager phir bhi nahi to dil mein bura jano jo ke emaan ke aakhri derjay mein aata he. Ager aap ki baat ko hum authentic maan ker hum chup chaap beth jaein to hum to emaan ke aakhri darjay se bhi nikal gaye na?

Aur achi talkeen bhi tableeg ki he aik kism he. Talkeen kia he? Aap isay itna negative kyoon le rahi hein? Soorah Toobah ki shuraat Allah Taalah ne "Bismillah" ke bagair ki? Kia waja thi is ke peechay? Kabi ghoor kia? Kia is mein hum loogon ke liye aik message nahi? Jis tarah ka sehal tareeka aap ne bataya he yeh workable nahi lagta aur especially aisi situation mein. Mein wahan per kuch khaas to na ker paya lekin mein abi tak pur'malaal hoon aur yahi sooch mein hoon ke mera wahan per kirdar kia banta tha, kia mein ne bohat bari ghalti ki unhein na rook ke.

ager aap ko hidayat naseeb hoi hai tu is mein gharoor kis baat ka... Insaan tub tak ashraf-ul-makhlooqat hai jub tak uske dimagh per aqal ka or dil per haq ka pehra ho... yeh pehra hat jaaye tu Insaan janwar se bhi badtar hai... or hum log nahi jaante ke yeh pehra kub tak hai or kub hat jaaye... (Allah na kare kabhi aisa ho.. aameen) so me ko humesha dar laga rehta hai ke kahein me "gumraah" logo mein na aajao... or isi liye me koshish karti ho ke judgment kabhi na do.... :|.. or isi liye me ne kaha tha me Allahu hafeezun parhne ki aadi ho... Allahmdullilah... :)

Aray waah mohtarma aap ki baat ke sadkay jaoon. Yani aap meri taraf se is waqee ki sarznish ko "mere gharoor" se tashbeeh de ker underground liberism ko hawaa de rahi hein aur ouper se Tableeg ka perchaar bhi kerti dikh rahi hein. I am sorry mein isay hypocrisy se he tashbeeh doon ga. Pata nahi aap ko mere concern mein gharoor kahan aur kyoon ker dikha, halanke mein to us din se iztrabi kefiyat ka shikaar hoon jub se mein ne yeh waqeya dekha. Mujay lagta tha ke mujay un loogon ko aagay berh ker rookna chahiye tha ta ke mein kisi hud tak apna islaami aur moaasharti fareeza anjaam de pata. Ager mein aisa ker deta to shayad aap ki nazroon mein "Gharoor ki inthaa" tak pohanch jata.