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  • #16
    Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
    yani jab kisi cheez ki ijazat nabi kareem saw de daien to wo phir bhi aap k nazdeek islam naheen hogi ajeeb baat hy .
    aray mery bhai is hadeeth mainnabi kareem apnay sahabi ko jis kaam k karnay ki ijazat de rahay hain wo kion islam naheen hy ?
    bahi ! meray khial main
    hmm dono aik dosray ko samjha naeen pa rahey apni baat and dosray ki samj naeen pa rahey

    Qiyas , Ijtihad sey hmm apney liya dusrt rastey ko dehknay ki kohsih kertay haan. kitnay % chances haan , key jub hmm ( or ulmah etc )apni aqal sey kohsih kertay haan , to wo 100% durust ho ga and us main tazad / iktalaf naeen ho ga

    hamesha jahan bi Ijtihad ka zikar ata hay wahan "most ulmmah" ya "sahaba"
    ka zikar keeon hota hay

    is leya key dosra , apney aqal sey quran o hadees sey baat akhas kerta hay aur dosray zavey sey dehkta hay jis sey pehla naeen dehk raha hota to aksar iktilaf ho jata hay, majority ki baat accept ker li jati hay

    time key sath aksar ijtihadi asloon ko tabdeel bi kia jata raha hay
    islami asool atal hotey haan , un main koi kami peshi naeen hoti

    is leya Qiyas and ijtihat , kisi cheeze ko islami asloon key tehat acceptable ya non acceptable to bana saktay haan , part naeen
    Last edited by tauruskhan; 8 February 2008, 02:36.
    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

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    • #17
      Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
      pehli baat to ye hy k aap jitnay bhi links shar kartay hain wo sab angreezi main hain is liye sorry main un per baat naheen karsakta aap ko agar mujhy se baat karni hy to khud likheen ya urdu main ya phir roman main .
      main har cheez ka jawab don ga :rose
      pir shayed app ko bohat zeyada hi intazar kerna per jaey , due to shortage of time ( peshgi mazrat)
      haan ager koi aur translate ker day , jo ji bismillah
      People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

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      • #18
        Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
        aap nay kabhi hadeeth ki tareef parhi hy? nabi saw k qul fail aur taqreer ko hadeeth kehtay hain yani nabi kareem saw jo kaam khud kareen ya kisi kaam se rokeen ya karnay ka hukam dain ya phir aap k samnay koi kaam kiya jay to aap us se mana na kareen balk us par khamoshi ikhtiar kareen to ye bhi aap ki tarafse ijazat samjhi jay gi aur hadeeth taqreeri kehlay gi. aur aap to jantay hi hain k hadeeth shariat ka dosra bara makhaz hy .
        beshak , kia app ko meri baat main kaheen inkar laga hay
        ab oper jis hadeeth par hum baat kar rahay hain usay agar mukamal parha jay to khud nabi kareem saw nay apnay sahabi ko na serf ye k aik kaam karnay ki ijazat di balk khush bhi huy aur ALLAH ka shukar ada bhi kiya aur dua bhi de.
        jee beshak ijtehad and qias ki ijazat di hay

        laikin aap keh rahay k ye serf qias ki ya ijtihad ki ijazat hyqias aur ijtihad deen anheen hain?


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        ye ajeeb baat hy ?k aik cheez ki nabi kareem ijazat to daien magar ussi cheez ko istimaal kartay huy hum agar aaj kisi deeni masla ka istimbat kareen to wo cheez aur hamara istimbat kiya hua masla dono gair islami kehlaien....?

        kia main ney kaha key qiyas aur ijtihad deen naeen
        yeh to part haan , takey new asoolon ko islam key motabik acceptable ya non acceptable kia ja sakey

        lakin is key nateejay main jo asool nikaltay haan , wo islam key motabik acceptable ya non acceptable hotey haan according to thoes people jinoon ney yeh keya and wo asool nikaley, dosray jinhoon ney woi kia lakin iktilaf paya , wo iktilaf kerain gay pehlay logon sey

        ab jo jis group ko follow kerta hay wo usi group key liya acceptable ya non acceptable ho ga , not for all

        islamic asool , a, b c sub per lagoon hotey haan and iktilaf kernay wala islamic daeray sey bahir ho jata hay



        moaf kijiye ga pehlay to ye waze kareen k part of islam se akhir aap ki murad kaya hyaur aap k nazdeek part of islam ki kaya tareef hy aur kaya kaya cheezen part of islam hain aap k nazdeek aur kaya kaya naheen. aur dosra ye jo baat aap nay ki hy is ka saboot bhi quran ya hadeeth se daien.
        islam ( ahkamat by Allah and his rasool ie Quran -0-Hadees sey makis asool)

        fiqah ( islam + acceptable asool according to Quran -0-Hadees )


        inshallah bohat jald reference dond ker app ko deta hoon
        tab tak app is link ko peryeh , yeh english and urdu dono main milay ga
        http://www.cometoislam.com/fiqh/fiqh.htm

        and Mulana Taqi Usmani ki book hay , english ka link hay again mazarat ( ager kisi key pass urdu ka link ho to kindly share karey plz)
        http://www.cometoislam.com/fiqh/legal/main.htm
        take care
        Last edited by tauruskhan; 8 February 2008, 03:48.
        People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

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