MUBAHISA: Surrogate Mother;What is your view

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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i dont think that it wud have some Moral or Spiritual Value In ISLAM.
ye topic aisa hai k is per buhat open discussion nahi ho sakti otherwise i may tell something
MAAN ko "MAAN" ka darja hi is liye mila hai k wo is poory period main her tarah k probs jheel ker ik baby ko birth deti hai......ager ye sab kaam koi or aurat kary jesa k aisa koi concept hi nahi......or phir baby us se le lena.......socially it is very panic.....

or humin aisa koi concept ISLAM nahi deta to ye thiik nahi ho sakta......+ us baby k Father k liye surrogate mother ik na-mehram aurat hai......so off course then she is not the real mother of that child.......but still then......probs to us aurat ne uthayin us baby k liye beshak pesoon k liye uthayin
to us baby ki to phir 2 Moms hoyin......but legally to 1 Mom hain.....:cc:
ye sab to mere lye bhi buhat confusing hai per in my view this is not correct decision 2 hire a surrogate mother

Ya i agree w/u it is not a wise decision to hire a surrogated mother, instead that man should marry another for children :)

[Shaim]

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Ya i agree w/u it is not a wise decision to hire a surrogated mother, instead that man should marry another for children :)

:salam: yes off course ISLAM is a complete DEEN,so it has told us abt all the good n bad things
now as there is no concept of surrogacy so we must not consider it lawful or correct 4 us:)

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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:salam: yes off course ISLAM is a complete DEEN,so it has told us abt all the good n bad things
now as there is no concept of surrogacy so we must not consider it lawful or correct 4 us:)

But think for a while for those women who can't give birth without the help of surrogated woman :lpop:

[Gul-e-Lala]

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Exactly, but most of our Muslim brothers and sisters don't bother theirselves going into details and just label such case as Haram. I don't say it is halal or haram but still we need to study these cases in the light of islamic references before giving our final words.:rose

Exactly and this is the problem with us.we dont bother to consider what Islam has told us about certain matter. There are so many alternatives given for even a little problem . We only need to explore Quran, Hadees and Fiqah seriously.

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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Exactly and this is the problem with us.we dont bother to consider what Islam has told us about certain matter. There are so many alternatives given for even a little problem . We only need to explore Quran, Hadees and Fiqah seriously.

Ya, you are right...one question is striking in my mind what if a woman is capable to become pregnent and doesn't carry the pregnency till end due to some medical problem. Isn't it her right to see her original genes carrier offspring where she can also find an alternative way of surrogation. Can you imagine the amount of pleasure she could have throughout the life after having her original baby born through other means. This is the way i think, still i am not an authority.

[Shaim]

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But think for a while for those women who can't give birth without the help of surrogated woman :lpop:

& think 4 a while wat should b done if ISLAM doesnt allow us?
& 2ndly ISLAM has given us the solution of 2nd marriage in this case too
so we must consider this legal solution as compared to the un lawful solution:)

[Gul-e-Lala]

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Islam has provided us with many practical alternatives thAt could be adopted in some specific circumstances. Like though one is permitted to eat haram when their is risk of losing life and no other eatable is available. in the same way, this option could be considered as the last to be considered. but still we need to consult some Faqeeh about all this.

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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& think 4 a while wat should b done if ISLAM doesnt allow us?
& 2ndly ISLAM has given us the solution of 2nd marriage in this case too
so we must consider this legal solution as compared to the un lawful solution:)

Islam has provided us with many practical alternatives thAt could be adopted in some specific circumstances. Like though one is permitted to eat haram when their is risk of losing life and no other eatable is available. in the same way, this option could be considered as the last to be considered. but still we need to consult some Faqeeh about all this.

Regarding Mehere sis reply, i would like to state that we have so far not concluded that whether is should be regarded as unlawful or lawful. As said by Gul-e-Lala, and previously mentioned by me that Islam has given us flexibility in some exceptional cases that we can eat haram when we there is matter of saving life. We shouldn't rule out any possibility of such cases to be accepted in the light of Islam if there is any guiadance regarding the matter. But this can simply be declared as Haram too by our religion. What we need is to findout the authentic references from the Holy Book, Ahadees and if there is no evidence regarding this matter then Fikkah :)

[Gul-e-Lala]

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Regarding Mehere sis reply, i would like to state that we have so far not concluded that whether is should be regarded as unlawful or lawful. As said by Gul-e-Lala, and previously mentioned by me that Islam has given us flexibility in some exceptional cases that we can eat haram when we there is matter of saving life. We shouldn't rule out any possibility of such cases to be accepted in the light of Islam if there is any guiadance regarding the matter. But this can simply be declared as Haram too by our religion. What we need is to findout the authentic references from the Holy Book, Ahadees and if there is no evidence regarding this matter then Fikkah :)

agreed

[tauruskhan]

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Regarding Mehere sis reply, i would like to state that we have so far not concluded that whether is should be regarded as unlawful or lawful. As said by Gul-e-Lala, and previously mentioned by me that Islam has given us flexibility in some exceptional cases that we can eat haram when we there is matter of saving life. We shouldn't rule out any possibility of such cases to be accepted in the light of Islam if there is any guiadance regarding the matter. But this can simply be declared as Haram too by our religion. What we need is to findout the authentic references from the Holy Book, Ahadees and if there is no evidence regarding this matter then Fikkah :)

meray bahi kham kha aik haram cheeze ko halal karenay key chakroon main na pareen yeh cheeze kataeeh haram hay
this test tube baby key mutalik app net per search ker lain , app ko kafi ulma key fatwaey mil jaen gay and sab main aiktafak ho ga key yeh haram hay

[tauruskhan]

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& think 4 a while wat should b done if ISLAM doesnt allow us?
& 2ndly ISLAM has given us the solution of 2nd marriage in this case too
so we must consider this legal solution as compared to the un lawful solution:)

i am 100% agreed with you

ager yeh silsala shorow ho gia to modern khawateen nay nia rang pakar lena hay key karayeh ki maeen lo , un sey bacha peda karwaoo and khod apnay app ko fit rakoo

yeh test tube baby concept bilkul haram hay

[Shaim]

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Regarding Mehere sis reply, i would like to state that we have so far not concluded that whether is should be regarded as unlawful or lawful. As said by Gul-e-Lala, and previously mentioned by me that Islam has given us flexibility in some exceptional cases that we can eat haram when we there is matter of saving life. We shouldn't rule out any possibility of such cases to be accepted in the light of Islam if there is any guiadance regarding the matter. But this can simply be declared as Haram too by our religion. What we need is to findout the authentic references from the Holy Book, Ahadees and if there is no evidence regarding this matter then Fikkah :)

Bhai y is there any need to think abt it a lot?
i m not going into details becoz i know the base is not valid......not lawful so...

i stated b4 k hamarey paas 2nd Marriage iski solution hai.....wasy being a girl i cannot accept this wid my heart........lakin surrogacy case main i ll prefer to have 2nd marriage rather than that....

actually in Fiqh we dont have this case but QIYAS is a thing on the basis of which we can conclude that whether it is lawful or not?
this concept has nothing legal in it........
kise k baby k liye q koi or aurat suffer kary????
ager is point ko sochain to socially buhat painful lagta hai k koi aurat itna suffer karne k baad wo baby kise or ko de day?
ager is cheez ko support mili to agreed with filba bhai ye cheez ik fashion main convert ho jae gi jisko mayoob bhi nahi samjha jae ga

"MAAN" ka darja itna buland ise liye hai k she bears a lot of pain/difficulty in the whole period then give birth 2 a child,so how can a women b a mother widout passing through all this process.....

thatz y i think that this has nothing rite in it.......it even changes the relations.........relation of child wid her/his mother is loosing the purity n making strong the relation wid surrogate mother who is a na-mehram to his/her father,,,,,,so wats rite in it?

[Shaim]

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i am 100% agreed with you

ager yeh silsala shorow ho gia to modern khawateen nay nia rang pakar lena hay key karayeh ki maeen lo , un sey bacha peda karwaoo and khod apnay app ko fit rakoo

yeh test tube baby concept bilkul haram hay

yes....ik or ghalat/un-lawful/western cheez part of our society ho jae gi
we must controll it rite now n must not encourage it.....

i think its different from test tube baby concept?

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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Bhai y is there any need to think abt it a lot?
i m not going into details becoz i know the base is not valid......not lawful so...

i stated b4 k hamarey paas 2nd Marriage iski solution hai.....wasy being a girl i cannot accept this wid my heart........lakin surrogacy case main i ll prefer to have 2nd marriage rather than that....

actually in Fiqh we dont have this case but QIYAS is a thing on the basis of which we can conclude that whether it is lawful or not?
this concept has nothing legal in it........
kise k baby k liye q koi or aurat suffer kary????
ager is point ko sochain to socially buhat painful lagta hai k koi aurat itna suffer karne k baad wo baby kise or ko de day?
ager is cheez ko support mili to agreed with filba bhai ye cheez ik fashion main convert ho jae gi jisko mayoob bhi nahi samjha jae ga

"MAAN" ka darja itna buland ise liye hai k she bears a lot of pain/difficulty in the whole period then give birth 2 a child,so how can a women b a mother widout passing through all this process.....

thatz y i think that this has nothing rite in it.......it even changes the relations.........relation of child wid her/his mother is loosing the purity n making strong the relation wid surrogate mother who is a na-mehram to his/her father,,,,,,so wats rite in it?

Meri pyaari behna, aap ko yeh batata chalon ke apni fehm aur daanist ke mutabik mujay bhi yeh case haram aur illigal he lagta he, so don't worry i am not going to emphasis ke yeh halaal he hay :)

Lekin

Lekin mein yeh bhi soochta hoon, ke zaroori to nahi ke jo mein soochon wohi sahi ho, wo is liye ke mein aalam-e-deen nahi hon...Haan Alhamdullilah thoora bohat deen ka knowledge zaroor rakhta hoon.

Aaiye hum kuch der ke liye aik aur case per nazar saani kerte hein. Baaz aukaat aisa hota he ke bucha paida hota he aur us ke real wali mom due to some medical problem usay apna doodh nahi pila paati, aur baaz aukaat aisa bhi hota he ke us buchay ko koi aur maan doodh pilaati he aur sharaee toor pe us buchay ka rishta us aurat se is tarah astawaar ho jata he ke wo bucha us aurat ke buchon se shaadi nahi ker sakta. Yaani wo auraat bhi maaon jesi ho jati he :) aur emotionally bhi us buchay aur aurat ke dermeyaan aik bond creat ho jata he.

Ub wapis aatay hein surrogated mother ki taraf...aap ne kaha ke koi aur aurat kyoon suffer karay kisi doosri aurat ke behalf pe...to is ka jawaab yeh he ke ager koi aur aurat apni khushi se raazi hoti he aur wo chahti he ke mein kisi doosri aurat ke buchay ko janam doon tub aap kia kahein gi. isay aik case samjein

Doosra case, ager surrogated woman donar aurat ke hubby se Nikkah ker le to jo zygot wo donar aurat se concieve karay gi us mein spermatozoa (hyploid cell, sperm) bhi kisi na-mehram merd ka nahi ho ga bulke us ke hubby ka ho ga. Koi yeh bhi nahi kahay ga ke kisi gair merd ka bucha us ke pait mein pal raha he.

I do wonder, in the above mentioned case what would be the reasonable, logical and final say of our ulema :)

Aik baar phir repeat karon ga ke mein is case ko Halaal karaar nahi de raha, lekin aap ke saamnay kuch pehlu wazeh ker raha hoon ta ke aap debate ker sakein aur apni aarah se hamein nawaz sakein...be blessed

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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meray bahi kham kha aik haram cheeze ko halal karenay key chakroon main na pareen yeh cheeze kataeeh haram hay
this test tube baby key mutalik app net per search ker lain , app ko kafi ulma key fatwaey mil jaen gay and sab main aiktafak ho ga key yeh haram hay

Aap ki baat ko ghalat hum kahan keh rahay hein filba bhaiya :) jo mein ne Mehere ko reply kia he us per aap bhi sooch ke apni raaye se nawaziye. aur haan whatever you conclude from my reply should be logical