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  • #31
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    The substance and meaning of Sufism

    The substance of Sufism is the Truth and the meaning of Sufism is the selfless experiencing and actualization of the Truth.

    The practice of Sufism

    The practice of Sufism is the intention to go towards the Truth, by means of love and devotion. This is called the tariqat, the spiritual path or way towards God.

    The definition of the Sufi

    The sufi is one who is a lover of Truth, who by means of love and devotion moves towards the Truth, towards the perfection which all are truly seeking. As necessitated by love's jealousy, the sufi is taken away from all except the Truth.

    Sufism



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    The word Sufism, which is probably derived from the Arabic suf ("wool"; hence sufi, "a person wearing an ascetic's woolen garment"), denotes Islamic mysticism. Although outside movements have had some influence on Sufi terminology, Sufism is definitely rooted in Islam itself. Its development began in the late 7th and 8th centuries when worldliness and loose morals in ruling Umayyad circles evoked a strong reaction among certain pious persons. Individuals such as Hasan of Basra (d. 728) urged the Muslim community to heed the Koranic call to fear God, its warnings for Judgment Day, and its reminders of the transitoriness of life in this world. A new emphasis on the love of God brought the transition from asceticism to mysticism. The woman saint Rabia of Basra (d. 801) called for love of God "for his own sake," not out of fear of hell or hope for heaven. Sufism was early criticized by those who feared that the Sufis' concern for personal experiential knowledge of God could lead to neglect of established religious observances and that the Sufis' ideal of unity with God was a denial of the Islamic principle of the "otherness" of God. The execution (922) of al - Hallaj, who claimed mystical communion with God, is related to this second issue, and in later centuries some Sufis did indeed move to a theosophical monism (for example, Ibn Arabi, d. 1240; and Jili, d. c. 1428). By combining a traditional theological position with a moderate form of Sufism, al - Ghazali made mysticism widely acceptable in the Muslim world.





    Sufism holds a doctrine of God which is extremely lofty. Here is an excerpt taken from one of their descriptions of God:

    zikr. During a zikr,
    Last edited by chaand_nager; 6 April 2009, 16:49.
    ab aur gerdish-e- taqdeer kiya sitaye ge lota ke ishq mai naam o nishaan bethain hei

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    • #32
      Re: Sufism

      Originally posted by zoniash View Post
      The substance and meaning of Sufism

      The substance of Sufism is the Truth and the meaning of Sufism is the selfless experiencing and actualization of the Truth.

      The practice of Sufism

      The practice of Sufism is the intention to go towards the Truth, by means of love and devotion. This is called the tariqat, the spiritual path or way towards God.

      The definition of the Sufi

      The sufi is one who is a lover of Truth, who by means of love and devotion moves towards the Truth, towards the perfection which all are truly seeking. As necessitated by love's jealousy, the sufi is taken away from all except the Truth.
      :)

      dil ko lagi aap ki baat
      Last edited by saraah; 6 April 2009, 16:48.
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      • #33
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        Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
        wo thred ghour se parhoo aur us ko parhnay k bad jo sawal zehan main aay wo yahaan karoooo

        ji zarror parrhoon gi...sawaal agar ikhtilaaf ka hai tou shyd ikhtilaaf na ho..kiyon k me khud sufion ko maan,nay wali hoon....:)
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        • #34
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          Originally posted by saraah View Post
          ji zarror parrhoon gi...sawaal agar ikhtilaaf ka hai tou shyd ikhtilaaf na ho..kiyon k me khud sufion ko maan,nay wali hoon....:)
          har sawal hameesha ikhtilafi point of view se naheen kiya jata baz sawalaat dosron tuk ilam k pohnchnay ka baies hotay hain . . .aur ye bhi zaroori naheen k aik hi maktbe fikar k do logon ka aik hi cheez per mukammal ittifaq hi ho . . . . . Jaysa k khud sufiizam main mukhtlif salasil hain k jin ka baz juziaat ki haqeeqat main baz se ikhtilaf hy . . . Wagera wagera :d:
          ساقیا ہور پلا ہور پلا ہور پلا

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          • #35
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            Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
            har sawal hameesha ikhtilafi point of view se naheen kiya jata baz sawalaat dosron tuk ilam k pohnchnay ka baies hotay hain . . .aur ye bhi zaroori naheen k aik hi maktbe fikar k do logon ka aik hi cheez per mukammal ittifaq hi ho . . . . . Jaysa k khud sufiizam main mukhtlif salasil hain k jin ka baz juziaat ki haqeeqat main baz se ikhtilaf hy . . . Wagera wagera :d:

            hmmmm theek theek.....:ANYWORD7
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            • #36
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              achaa asli wali ''kashaf ul majoob'' konsi hai???:mm:
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              • #37
                Re: Sufism

                Originally posted by saraah View Post
                achaa asli wali ''kashaf ul majoob'' konsi hai???:mm:
                sari hi asli wali hain laikin mutrajam hain kionk hazrat data sahab ale rehma nay to asal main farsi main likhi thi . . .
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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
                  sari hi asli wali hain laikin mutrajam hain kionk hazrat data sahab ale rehma nay to asal main farsi main likhi thi . . .



                  sari asli hain....?
                  ji mere paas urdu hi hai..jahangir book depot walon ki
                  kaafi mushkil hai ....:embarasse
                  muje laga shyd yeh asli nae
                  Last edited by saraah; 6 April 2009, 20:26.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Sufism

                    Originally posted by saraah View Post
                    sari asli hain....?
                    Ji mere paas urdu hi hai..jahangir book depot walon ki
                    kaafi mushkil hai ....:embarasse
                    muje laga shyd yeh asli nae
                    بتایا تو ہے کہ حضور داتا صاحب علیہ رحمہ نے تو فارسی میں لکھی تھی لیکن اس کا بہت سی زبانوں میں ترجمہ ہوچکا ہے اور اردو میں تو اس کہ بے شمار تراجم ہیں کچھ آسان ہیں کچھ مشکل ہیں مگر جو آسان بھی ہیں وہ بھی مشکل ہی لگتے ہیں ان لوگوں کو کہ جن کو تصوف کی اصطلاحات کا بنیادی علم نہیں ہوتا ۔ ۔ ۔
                    ساقیا ہور پلا ہور پلا ہور پلا

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                    • #40
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                      Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
                      بتایا تو ہے کہ حضور داتا صاحب علیہ رحمہ نے تو فارسی میں لکھی تھی لیکن اس کا بہت سی زبانوں میں ترجمہ ہوچکا ہے اور اردو میں تو اس کہ بے شمار تراجم ہیں کچھ آسان ہیں کچھ مشکل ہیں مگر جو آسان بھی ہیں وہ بھی مشکل ہی لگتے ہیں ان لوگوں کو کہ جن کو تصوف کی اصطلاحات کا بنیادی علم نہیں ہوتا ۔ ۔ ۔

                      baar baar ek hi baat kiye ja rahay hain....jo asaan hai wo bata aabi bhai:embarasse
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                      • #41
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                        Originally posted by saraah View Post
                        baar baar ek hi baat kiye ja rahay hain....jo asaan hai wo bata aabi bhai:embarasse
                        mujhy to sari hi asaan lagti hain lol 372-haha ab mujhy naheen pata aap ki is baab main kahan tuk study hy hosakta hy main jisay asaan kahon wo aap k liye pehlys e bhi mushkil ho wesay ziaulquran ki shaya karda peer karam shah sahab alazhari ka tarjuma parh lain acha hy aur ahgar sharah mil jay to us se bhi acha hy :salam:
                        ساقیا ہور پلا ہور پلا ہور پلا

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
                          mujhy to sari hi asaan lagti hain lol 372-haha ab mujhy naheen pata aap ki is baab main kahan tuk study hy hosakta hy main jisay asaan kahon wo aap k liye pehlys e bhi mushkil ho wesay ziaulquran ki shaya karda peer karam shah sahab alazhari ka tarjuma parh lain acha hy aur ahgar sharah mil jay to us se bhi acha hy :salam:
                          ok karti hoon kuch....
                          iss me hansnay wali kya baat thi372-shed
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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by saraah View Post
                            ok karti hoon kuch....
                            iss me hansnay wali kya baat thi372-shed
                            :tasali:
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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by aabi2cool View Post
                              :tasali:
                              :embarasse

                              wo book tou aaj se koi 5 saal pehlay aayi thi tab mushkil lagi...uss k baad tou ussay dekha hi nae me en aabi bhai ...me tab se samjhti rahi k wo bohat mushkil hai....ab parrooohn gi :insha:
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                              • #45
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                                ek point discuss krna chah rahi hoon....

                                abi aap ka thread nae parrha wese.....
                                jo hazraat yeh kehtay hain k Sufi log tark e dunia ka sabaq dete hain...wo shyd surface level pe sochtay hain...hain na?

                                HAZRAT ALI ka qol hai '' HALAL KA HISAAB HAI AUR HARAAM KA AZAAB HAI TOU PHIR FAIDA?''
                                (wording thorri bohat different ho sakti hai)

                                matlab iss me dunia ki haqeeqat batla di unhon ne ...k phir dunia se raghbat ka kya faida tou dekha jaye tou sufi b tou yehi kehtay na...tou HAZRAT ALI tou sufi nae hain..
                                phir sufi se kahay ka ikhtilaaf :donno:

                                u got my point na ?
                                am i right aabi bhai ...!
                                Last edited by saraah; 22 April 2009, 04:23.
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