TAJZIYA: HO,MMA,Lal-Masjid

[*Roomi*]

HO,MMA,Lal-Masjid

[Shaim]

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Assalam o Alikum :)

Thx 4 the In4mative thread....! :rose

Buhat c cheezin mujeh apk thread se pata chaliin jo mujeh pehly maaloom nahi thiin :)
MMA ko to main kuch behter samajhti thi......
Khurram wo jo Samya Qazi hain unky baary mai ap kiya kahin gy? unho ne to kaafi struggle kari thi Masoom Jaanin bachany k lye......even ap khud us meeting mai shaamil thy na......jis mai Samya Qazi n MMA k log is pr debate kr rahy thy........rite???

waasy q koi ik bhi person honest nahi hai Paki k sath???
kiya siyasat sambhalty waqt sab apny faraiz bhool kr sirf designation k nashy mai doob jaty hain??? :(

[*Roomi*]

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Assalam o Alikum :)

Thx 4 the In4mative thread....! :rose

Buhat c cheezin mujeh apk thread se pata chaliin jo mujeh pehly maaloom nahi thiin :)
MMA ko to main kuch behter samajhti thi......
Khurram wo jo Samya Qazi hain unky baary mai ap kiya kahin gy? unho ne to kaafi struggle kari thi Masoom Jaanin bachany k lye......even ap khud us meeting mai shaamil thy na......jis mai Samya Qazi n MMA k log is pr debate kr rahy thy........rite???

waasy q koi ik bhi person honest nahi hai Paki k sath???
kiya siyasat sambhalty waqt sab apny faraiz bhool kr sirf designation k nashy mai doob jaty hain??? :(

Yes Sab Aik jesay Nae Hain MMA ki Working Body Kay mein sakt mukaif Hoon laykin esi MMA kay bohat say log achay bee hain jinhain Aagay Aanay nae Diya jata ...........Saimia Raheel Qazi nay bohat kosish ki thei koi shak nae aisay he Qazi Husain Ahmed be thik hain un kay qool or fail may tazad nazar nae aata laykin yeh Faz-ul-Reham thik banda nae hai.......

[aabi2cool]

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Yes Sab Aik jesay Nae Hain MMA ki Working Body Kay mein sakt mukaif Hoon laykin esi MMA kay bohat say log achay bee hain jinhain Aagay Aanay nae Diya jata ...........Saimia Raheel Qazi nay bohat kosish ki thei koi shak nae aisay he Qazi Husain Ahmed be thik hain un kay qool or fail may tazad nazar nae aata laykin yeh Faz-ul-Reham thik banda nae hai.......

IAM 100% agreed with u....

[wajid hanif]

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bahi............ase baten aik side ki tarf rakhen to teek hai.

[wajid hanif]

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yeh nahi k main kisi ki side ki tarf hoon pir b.......jo kha hai umeed hai bura nahi mane gay

[Shaim]

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Yes Sab Aik jesay Nae Hain MMA ki Working Body Kay mein sakt mukaif Hoon laykin esi MMA kay bohat say log achay bee hain jinhain Aagay Aanay nae Diya jata ...........Saimia Raheel Qazi nay bohat kosish ki thei koi shak nae aisay he Qazi Husain Ahmed be thik hain un kay qool or fail may tazad nazar nae aata laykin yeh Faz-ul-Reham thik banda nae hai.......

yahi to prob hai na.........:( jo bhi accha hoota hai woo aagy a hi nahi paata top level pr corruption ki wajah se.....!
Hmmmmmmmmmm :pagal:

[Shaim]

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bahi............ase baten aik side ki tarf rakhen to teek hai.

ap thoora xplain karin gi plz :cc:

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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Khuram miyaan yeh takreer zaroorat se ziada jazbaati ho gai he aur is mein bohat se hakaik ko aap masakh ker gaye hein.

Jub Hadood'Ordinance mein tarmeem ki gai to MMA ne bohat ekhtalaaf kia, bohat muzahiray kiye, assembliyon se walkout kia. Lekin kia he Pakistan mein aik nazam he, Kanon paas kerne ke liye 2/3 aksariyat ka hona zaroori hota he, phir wo bill manzoori ke liye senate mein pesh hota he, phir wahan bhi debate hoti he aur phir president us kanoon ko paas kerta he...MMA walon ka mookaf kuch aur tha.

Jahan tak baat aati he HUD ki, to mein yeh kahon ga ke PML-Q ne bhi bohat se Ulemaa se mushawarat ke baad he isay discuss kia, un ka mookaf tha ke Hud ki kuch misinterpretation ki gai he, khair let there be no more discussion.

Jahan tak baat he Laal Masjid ke waqeyaat meiin Molana sahib England chalay gaye to mein aap ko batana chahon ga ke Jub yeh operation shuru hua to us se kuch der pehlay he jo muzakraat huay us mein Molana Taki Usmani, Aijaaz-ul-Haq aur Ch. Shujaat Hussein ke ilawa 2 ulema aur bhi thay jin ke naam mujay yaad nahi aa rahay, unhon ne govt. se negociation kerne ki kooshish ki...raat 12 bajay dialogue khatam huay aur jub Ch. Shujat sb. aur Aijaz-ul-Haq sahib raat ko sadar se meeting ker ke 2:30 bajay wapis aaye to us agreements ke contents change ker diey gaye, aur is tarah Govt. ne karwai impose ker di. MMA to hameesha se he sarapa ehtajaaj rahay aur unhon ne apni capacity ke mutabik bilkul sahi ehtajaaj kia.

Aap itna negative mut soocha karein, jazbati kum hua karein, hakeekat-pasandana zehan banaiye...bohat kuch ghalat ho raha he politics mein, lekin itna ghalat nahi jitna aap beyaan ker rahay ho :)

[aabi2cool]

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Khuram miyaan yeh takreer zaroorat se ziada jazbaati ho gai he aur is mein bohat se hakaik ko aap masakh ker gaye hein.

jo haqaieq aap ki nazar main maskh kiye gay hian kaya apa wo batana pasand farmaien ga..?
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Lekin kia he Pakistan mein aik nazam he, Kanon paas kerne ke liye 2/3 aksariyat ka hona zaroori hota he, phir wo bill manzoori ke liye senate mein pesh hota he, phir wahan bhi debate hoti he aur phir president us kanoon ko paas kerta he

hudoo ULLAH ko kis bhi riasati qanoon k tehat tabdeel naheen kiya jasakta aur nahi un main kiis bhi tarah ki tarmeem ki jasakti hy hudood ULLAh k moamlay main pakistan ka qanoon to kaya sari dunia ka qanoon milkar bhi ajay to kisi ko koi haq naheen pohnchta k wo ALLAH k qanoon ko tabdeel kary..aur pakistan k qanoon ki to baat hi kaya hy jahan aik shakhs ko wardi main rakhnay kiliye aien main tabdelian ki jaskti hian jahan aik shakas k hakmiat ala ko qaim rakhnay k liye aien ko khilona bana diya jata hy ye wahid aysa mulk hy k jahan ka wazir azam wazir to kaya khud asembly ka member bannay se bhi pehlay wazir azam namzad hojata hy.
jahan aik shakhas ahtisaab ka nara laga kar ata hy laikin us ki apni chatri k neechy wohi saray log jama hojaty hain jo k naib zada hain kisi par besion qatal qees hain to ussy governor bana diya jata hy .
aur kisi ka mulk main dakhla mana hy to ussy wazir dakhla bana diya jata hy wah wah.. kahan tak suno gay kahan tak sunaon mian..choro kis qanoon ki baat karty ho...

Jahan tak baat aati he HUD ki, to mein yeh kahon ga ke PML-Q ne bhi bohat se Ulemaa se mushawarat ke baad he isay discuss kia, un ka mookaf tha ke Hud ki kuch misinterpretation ki gai he, khair let there be no more discussion.

janab k waseeh mutlia k peesh e nazar kaya main un bohat se ulmah mainse serf chand k naam jan sakta hon..agar jan sakoon to ye mary ilam main giran qadar izafa hoga.....intizaar rahy ga...baqi bateen phir hongi..w/salaam aap ka khir andeesh aabi2cool:wk

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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jo haqaieq aap ki nazar main maskh kiye gay hian kaya apa wo batana pasand farmaien ga..?
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Ok Mein tujay Hakeekat zaroor bataon ga lekin Tu muj se jis baray mein hakeekat poochna chahta he us baray mein question ker phir mein tere aik aik question ka detail mein jawaab deta hoon Inshallah.

Laal Masjid Topic bohat bara he, mein Alhamdullilah aik aik pal update hota raha hoon...go ahead step by step, tu question ker jahan tu samajta he ke us waqt aisa hua jo nahi hona chahiye tha phir mein tujay Inshallah tafseel se jawaab deta hoon, theek he...

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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jo haqaieq aap ki nazar main maskh kiye gay hian kaya apa wo batana pasand farmaien ga..?
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hudoo ULLAH ko kis bhi riasati qanoon k tehat tabdeel naheen kiya jasakta aur nahi un main kiis bhi tarah ki tarmeem ki jasakti hy hudood ULLAh k moamlay main pakistan ka qanoon to kaya sari dunia ka qanoon milkar bhi ajay to kisi ko koi haq naheen pohnchta k wo ALLAH k qanoon ko tabdeel kary..aur pakistan k qanoon ki to baat hi kaya hy jahan aik shakhs ko wardi main rakhnay kiliye aien main tabdelian ki jaskti hian jahan aik shakas k hakmiat ala ko qaim rakhnay k liye aien ko khilona bana diya jata hy

Dekh yahan pe baat Allah ke kanoon ko change kerne ki nahi ho rahi bulke us kanoon ko misinterpretation ki baat ho rahi he.

Allah Taalah ka her kanon insaaniyat ki baka' aur salaah ke liye he, is mein kisi ka istehsaal nahi ho sakta. Tu khud sooch ke aik larki jis ka rape hua he, wo chaar wo gawah kahan se la sakti he jo ke pois hein...ager chaar paarsa loog wahan pe moojod hein to wo rape kyoonker honay dein ge...aisay mein wo aurat jhootay ilaamzat ke mukadmay mein dhar li jati aur ulta usay lene ke dene per jatay. Is baat ki tu kia toojeeh pesh kerta he..mujay bata phir baat ko aagay berhatay hein

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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ye wahid aysa mulk hy k jahan ka wazir azam wazir to kaya khud asembly ka member bannay se bhi pehlay wazir azam namzad hojata hy.
jahan aik shakhas ahtisaab ka nara laga kar ata hy laikin us ki apni chatri k neechy wohi saray log jama hojaty hain jo k naib zada hain kisi par besion qatal qees hain to ussy governor bana diya jata hy .
aur kisi ka mulk main dakhla mana hy to ussy wazir dakhla bana diya jata hy wah wah.. kahan tak suno gay kahan tak sunaon mian..choro kis qanoon ki baat karty ho...

For ur kind information, Shaukat aziz ke liye pehlay National Assembly mein aik seat khali kerwai gai, phir wo us seat per on for MNA banay aur phir unhoon ne Parliment se do tahaai se ziada vote le ker kaamiyaabi hasil ki...is it clear?

jahan tak doosri bad'anwaaniyon ka taaluq he to bad'anwaan anasar moojood hein, is mein inkaari honay ki koi baat nahi...Genral Pervez Musharaf ager consitution mein change lata he to wo bhi la sakta he, lekin us ke liye us consitution ka parliment se paas hona zaroori he...LFO (Legal Framework Order) paas hua to wo bhi parliment ne paas kia...is mein tum loog blame kisay dete ho :donno:

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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janab k waseeh mutlia k peesh e nazar kaya main un bohat se ulmah mainse serf chand k naam jan sakta hon..agar jan sakoon to ye mary ilam main giran qadar izafa hoga.....intizaar rahy ga...baqi bateen phir hongi..w/salaam aap ka khir andeesh aabi2cool:wk

Ulema ka panel tha, ub mujay yaad nahi ke un mein se koon se thay, haan Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, Dr. Taufail Hashmi jo ke Islamic scholar and consultant Federal Shariat Court hein wo is list mein sar-e-fehrist hein.

Aur waise bhi yaar yeh new ordinance parliment mein do tahai aksariyat se pass hua aur yeh parliment koi non-muslims ki parliment nahi he. :donno:

[aabi2cool]

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Ok Mein tujay Hakeekat zaroor bataon ga lekin Tu muj se jis baray mein hakeekat poochna chahta he us baray mein question ker phir mein tere aik aik question ka detail mein jawaab deta hoon Inshallah.

Laal Masjid Topic bohat bara he, mein Alhamdullilah aik aik pal update hota raha hoon...go ahead step by step, tu question ker jahan tu samajta he ke us waqt aisa hua jo nahi hona chahiye tha phir mein tujay Inshallah tafseel se jawaab deta hoon, theek he

To janab ab aap ye farma rahay hain k main aap se haqeeqat k izhar k liye sawal karon...jabk oper khuram bhai nay jo thred shar kiye hy us par aap nay baray daraly se ye ilzam aied kardiya tha k is main haqeeqat ko maskh kiya gaya hy to kaya ab ko andaza naheen raha k kis haqeeqat ko maskh kiya gaya hy?
mujhy aap se sawal karany ki zaroorat hi kaya hy jab aap nay aik topic par honay wali guftgu ko gair haqeeqi qarar dekar ye ilzam aied kardiya hy k us main haqaieq ko amskh kiya gaya hy to ab ye aap ka farz banta hy k jahan jahan haqeeqat ko jhutlaya gaya hy wahan wahan se nishandahi farmaien...
aur aap ki taad dehanai kiliye arz kardon k khuram bhai ki peesh karda tehreer main serf lal masjid ka qazia hi naheen hy balk awalan hudood ullah ki baat ki gai hy... chalien aik sawal aaps e kar hi layta hon k bataiye hud aur tazeer main kaya bunyadi farq hy...?
raha lal msijid ka moamla to us par bhi bohat se sawalaat hain fil waqat chand peesh khidmat hain..
aik ye k aap ki nazar main kaya lal msjid par opration hi wahid hal tha?
kaya koi aur rasta ikhtiar naheen kiay jaskta tha.?
aur ye bhi k jab opration shuru kiya gaya to us se bilkul akhiri waqat par jo muzakrata ulmah se huy thy un main tarmeem sadar house se kion ki gai..?
aur phir khuch din bad tv par akar sadar sahib nay aik bari muzhika khaiz baat ye ki k hum akhiriu waqat tak baat cheet ki koshish kartay rahy aur us k suboot k taour par kaha k hum nay opration main itni takheer ki k subh k waqat shuru kiya aur us ki waja se hamara jani nuqsaan bhi ziyada hua aray us se koi pouchay k kaya wo islamabad main tuloh honay wali akhri subhu thi kaya us k bad aur koi ya agli raat naheen anay wali thi..?
fil waqat in ka jawab do phir baat ho gi....