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in the end yehh jo molanaa abdulrasheed sahib hain inn kee Garee 2004 koo pakree gaiee jiss main see aisaa saman bramad howaa jis ko 14 august main dehshat gardee keyy liey istamal kiaa janaa thaaa

Proofs ?

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Mazhab hamaray haan bara nazuk muamila raha hai.Iskay naam par hamaray jazbaat itnay ziada bharak uthtay hain kay ham samajhna hi nahin chahtay kay hamain bharkanay waloon kay maqasid kiya hain.aur na hi ham is baat ko samajhtay hain kay muta'alqa mumailay main shariat kay ahkaam kiya hain.
1.Islam main fard per riasat ko bartari di gai hai aur qanoon sazi aur saza-o-jaza waghaira riasat kay daira-e-kaar main aatay hain.Kisi fard-e-wahid ko in muamilaat ko haath main lainay ka haq nahin hai.Agar aisa honay laga to bohat jald har koi haath main danda lay kar ghoomay ga aur apnay mukhalifeen ko khud saza day ga aur aap kisi ko nahin rok sakain gay.
2.Jabir hakim kay agay bhi kalma-e-haq kahnay ka hukm hai,us kay dor main qanoon haath main lainay ka hukm nahin hai.
3.Masajid bananay walonn nay agar ghair qanooni masajid banai hain to unhoon nay khud kounsa islam per amal kiya hai jo woh islam kay thaikaidaar banay huay hain.
4.Yakdam hi saray mulk main talibaan uth kharay huay hain,yeh kis kay isharay per hai.
5.Hakoomat baar baar ailan karti hai kay lal masjid kay khilaf sakht aqdamaat karay gi laikin nahin karti.
Mujhay to lagta hai kay yeh sab Gen musharaf kay isharay per amal kar rahay hain,kiyunkay gen sahib chief justice walay muamilay ko dabana chahtay hain aur saath hi saath ahl-e-maghrab ko taliban ka hawa dikhana chahtay hain taakay USA jo aajkal un say naraz lag raha hai unhain kursi-e-iqtidaar par qubool kar lay.Yeh bhi ho sakta hai kay halaat mazeed kharab kar kay emergency nafiz kar di jaye.
Maira khiyal hai yeh sara drama hai.

Relation To 1st

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Relation To 1st

Bhai mairay proof to aapko daina hai,agar shaheed ki janay wali masajid qanooni taqazoon ko pura kar kay tameer ki gai thein to aap legal documents qoum kay samnay lay aain.Aap to mukhtalif hathkanday istaimaal kar rahay hain jis say lagta hai kay aap haqaiq ko jazbaat kay parday main chupa daina chahtay hain.

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Bhai mairay proof to aapko daina hai,agar shaheed ki janay wali masajid qanooni taqazoon ko pura kar kay tameer ki gai thein to aap legal documents qoum kay samnay lay aain.Aap to mukhtalif hathkanday istaimaal kar rahay hain jis say lagta hai kay aap haqaiq ko jazbaat kay parday main chupa daina chahtay hain.

App bat ka rukh mor rahay hoon q kay mein janta hoon App b Sunu Sunai per Apne bat delever ker rahay hoo jab tak proofs nahe tab tak Elzam nahe lagao Simple

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App bat ka rukh mor rahay hoon q kay mein janta hoon App b Sunu Sunai per Apne bat delever ker rahay hoo jab tak proofs nahe tab tak Elzam nahe lagao Simple

To mairay bhai aap proof day dain na,aap bhi to khali kholi jazbati batain kar rahay hain.Jab bhi kisi kay paas legal documents hotay hain to woh adalat ka darwaza khatkhata hai,aaj kal kay dor main media ko involve karta hai.Agar molana sahib kay paas koi proof hota to woh bhi aisay hi kartay.Aur agar muamila court main chala jatay to pahli masjid kay baad doosry masjid shaheed karnay ki juraat na hoti kisi ko.
Mairay bhai aap legal proof lain main sab say pahlay unhain tasleem karoon gi, laikin is taraf na to aap aa rahay hain aur na hi moulana sahib aain gay.
Main wait karon gi kay aap proof yahan laain gay,aur sabit karain gay kay masajid legally constructed thein.
Aur agar aisa nahin hai to aap kay point of view ki bunyaad hi ghair islami hai.

[Masood]

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Mazhab hamaray haan bara nazuk muamila raha hai.Iskay naam par hamaray jazbaat itnay ziada bharak uthtay hain kay ham samajhna hi nahin chahtay kay hamain bharkanay waloon kay maqasid kiya hain.aur na hi ham is baat ko samajhtay hain kay muta'alqa mumailay main shariat kay ahkaam kiya hain.
1.Islam main fard per riasat ko bartari di gai hai aur qanoon sazi aur saza-o-jaza waghaira riasat kay daira-e-kaar main aatay hain.Kisi fard-e-wahid ko in muamilaat ko haath main lainay ka haq nahin hai.Agar aisa honay laga to bohat jald har koi haath main danda lay kar ghoomay ga aur apnay mukhalifeen ko khud saza day ga aur aap kisi ko nahin rok sakain gay.
2.Jabir hakim kay agay bhi kalma-e-haq kahnay ka hukm hai,us kay dor main qanoon haath main lainay ka hukm nahin hai.
3.Masajid bananay walonn nay agar ghair qanooni masajid banai hain to unhoon nay khud kounsa islam per amal kiya hai jo woh islam kay thaikaidaar banay huay hain.
4.Yakdam hi saray mulk main talibaan uth kharay huay hain,yeh kis kay isharay per hai.
5.Hakoomat baar baar ailan karti hai kay lal masjid kay khilaf sakht aqdamaat karay gi laikin nahin karti.
Mujhay to lagta hai kay yeh sab Gen musharaf kay isharay per amal kar rahay hain,kiyunkay gen sahib chief justice walay muamilay ko dabana chahtay hain aur saath hi saath ahl-e-maghrab ko taliban ka hawa dikhana chahtay hain taakay USA jo aajkal un say naraz lag raha hai unhain kursi-e-iqtidaar par qubool kar lay.Yeh bhi ho sakta hai kay halaat mazeed kharab kar kay emergency nafiz kar di jaye.
Maira khiyal hai yeh sara drama hai.

Almas mujhey aap ki har aik baat sey itfaq hai! Very well said!

Ham musalmano ki shayid yeh bad'qismati hai keh ham samajhtey hain keh ham sey ziayda bada muslim kisi dor mein pedah nahin huwa! Sach yeh hai keh ham log intihaii jazbati log hain - aur jazbat aqal ko maar detey hain. Islam ki baat karo to har naam nehad musalman bilon sey nikal kharra hota hai aur qanoon ko apney haath mein leyney sey bhi dregh nahin karta. Ham Jehad ki takraar kartey hain yeh samjhey bghair keh jehad ka hukum siraf aur siraf hakam-e-waqt deta hai! Aur yeh Hakam kis key paaley huwey hain? Hamarey apney! Aaj bhi agar badey sey badey musalman ka koi kaam phansa huwa ho to kya woh paisey dey ker apna kaam nahin karwaey ga??? Is sey maqsood yeh hai keh ham sab is system ka hissah hain - aur sazishon ka bohat jald shikar ho jatey hain - bghair sochey samjhey! Aur mujhey yeh likhtey huwey afsos ho raha hai keh jo jitna ziyada mazhabi soch rakhta hai - woh utna ziyada jazbati hai!

Seedhi si baat hai jo aap ney kahi - agar ghair qanooni masjid ki tameer Islam mein jaiz hai to ussey ko girana bhi drust hai jo Allah Tala ki khushnoodi hasil karney key liye na bnaii jaey balkeh insaan key jazbaat sey khailney ki gharz sey bnaii jaey.... Iqbal ney Lahore ki Masjid Shab'bhar ko samney rakhtey huwe kaha tha:


masjid to bnaa di shab'bhar mein eeman ki hararat walon ney
man apna purana paapi hai, barson mein namazi ban na saka!!
Iqbal bada apdeshak hai, mann baton mein moh leta hai
GUFTAR ka to yeh ghazi bana, KIRDAR ka ghazi ban na saka!!

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Almas mujhey aap ki har aik baat sey itfaq hai! Very well said!

Ham musalmano ki shayid yeh bad'qismati hai keh ham samajhtey hain keh ham sey ziayda bada muslim kisi dor mein pedah nahin huwa! Sach yeh hai keh ham log intihaii jazbati log hain - aur jazbat aqal ko maar detey hain. Islam ki baat karo to har naam nehad musalman bilon sey nikal kharra hota hai aur qanoon ko apney haath mein leyney sey bhi dregh nahin karta. Ham Jehad ki takraar kartey hain yeh samjhey bghair keh jehad ka hukum siraf aur siraf hakam-e-waqt deta hai! Aur yeh Hakam kis key paaley huwey hain? Hamarey apney! Aaj bhi agar badey sey badey musalman ka koi kaam phansa huwa ho to kya woh paisey dey ker apna kaam nahin karwaey ga??? Is sey maqsood yeh hai keh ham sab is system ka hissah hain - aur sazishon ka bohat jald shikar ho jatey hain - bghair sochey samjhey! Aur mujhey yeh likhtey huwey afsos ho raha hai keh jo jitna ziyada mazhabi soch rakhta hai - woh utna ziyada jazbati hai!

Seedhi si baat hai jo aap ney kahi - agar ghair qanooni masjid ki tameer Islam mein jaiz hai to ussey ko girana bhi drust hai jo Allah Tala ki khushnoodi hasil karney key liye na bnaii jaey balkeh insaan key jazbaat sey khailney ki gharz sey bnaii jaey.... Iqbal ney Lahore ki Masjid Shab'bhar ko samney rakhtey huwe kaha tha:


masjid to bnaa di shab'bhar mein eeman ki hararat walon ney
man apna purana paapi hai, barson mein namazi ban na saka!!
Iqbal bada apdeshak hai, mann baton mein moh leta hai
GUFTAR ka to yeh ghazi bana, KIRDAR ka ghazi ban na saka!!

Masood, hum buniyadi tour par aik inteha pasand qoum haiN...!! isi khali mazhab say joRna ghalat hai... kia tum nahee dekhtay kay hum kitnay tang'nazar roshan'khayal aur kitnay intehapasand aitedal pasand haiN...!! aaj jo inteha pasand haiN kal yahi bay'inteha pasand thay humaiN..!! maiN kisi aik side ki fav nahee kar'rha, mas'ala he yeh hai kay hum donoN teraf say inteha pasandi maiN ghiray howay haiN...!!

reh gaiy Iqbal uncle to woh to yeh bhi keh gaiy thay.....

Qoum kia cheez hai QoumoN ki Imamat kia hai,,,
is ko kia samjhaiN yeh becharay 2 rak'at kay imam....!!

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Proofs ?

tumharay nazdeek proof ki kia definition hai ??

yahi kay maiN maan jaooN ?? aisa to kabhi howa nahee....!! aur na he hoga...!! kioN kay hum loog tehqeeq say pehlay raiy qaim kar letay haiN...!!

yahan bohot say logoN nay apna nuqta-e-nazar bayan kia, apna nazariya paish kia...!! par kehtay haiN nazareay ka tal'luq nazar say hota hai....!! andhay ko nazar nahee aata aur bhainga jo dekhta hai woh taiRha hota hai...!!

hum apna nazariya us par qaim kartay haiN jo humaiN nazar aata hai...!! to kia jo nazar nahee aata woh hota bhi nahee hai.....?? aik to bisaat yeh kay apni nazar par nazariya qaim kia aur phir daad deni chaheay kay us par uR bhi jatay haiN kay ana'ul HAQ...!!

tum yeh kioN chahtay ho kay sari dunia ka nazariya tumharay jesa he ho...?? kia tumhara nazariya har lehaz say behtar aur afzal hai....??

ANY PROOF....??

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Asalam alaikum The Mask,

well na hi mey gov. key favor mey hun aur na hi jo Maddrasa Hafsah ki taleybaat ya Lal Masjid ka attitude hai us key favor mey hun....

but still I need a bit detail study on this issue :insha:

dil ko acha laga yeh sun kar....!!

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tumharay nazdeek proof ki kia definition hai ??

yahi kay maiN maan jaooN ?? aisa to kabhi howa nahee....!! aur na he hoga...!! kioN kay hum loog tehqeeq say pehlay raiy qaim kar letay haiN...!!

yahan bohot say logoN nay apna nuqta-e-nazar bayan kia, apna nazariya paish kia...!! par kehtay haiN nazareay ka tal'luq nazar say hota hai....!! andhay ko nazar nahee aata aur bhainga jo dekhta hai woh taiRha hota hai...!!

hum apna nazariya us par qaim kartay haiN jo humaiN nazar aata hai...!! to kia jo nazar nahee aata woh hota bhi nahee hai.....?? aik to bisaat yeh kay apni nazar par nazariya qaim kia aur phir daad deni chaheay kay us par uR bhi jatay haiN kay ana'ul HAQ...!!

tum yeh kioN chahtay ho kay sari dunia ka nazariya tumharay jesa he ho...?? kia tumhara nazariya har lehaz say behtar aur afzal hai....??

ANY PROOF....??

Nazriya Ki Aitni Mufasil Tehreer likhi Ap nay or Apna Nazriya Muj Gareeb o Nacheez per Q Laga Rahay Hooo Mein Her-giz es Cheez ka Qail nahe Hoon Allah ka shuker hai Bus Apne Soch Apne Tak Her Aik ko Apne Soch say nahe Dhekna Chaye or yehi Hamare Logoon ki karabi hai wo her aik ko Apne Nazar say Dhektey Hain.....Mein Sirf Apne Bat kerta Hoon kesi ko achi lagay to achi bat hai kesi ko Iktilaf Hai to Wajohat ki Bina per keray Ager Dalail Mazboot to mein usi waqt apne bat ko ghalt tasleem keron ga sirf apne soch dosray per thonsa yeh darust nahe

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Nazriya Ki Aitni Mufasil Tehreer likhi Ap nay or Apna Nazriya Muj Gareeb o Nacheez per Q Laga Rahay Hooo Mein Her-giz es Cheez ka Qail nahe Hoon Allah ka shuker hai Bus Apne Soch Apne Tak Her Aik ko Apne Soch say nahe Dhekna Chaye or yehi Hamare Logoon ki karabi hai wo her aik ko Apne Nazar say Dhektey Hain.....Mein Sirf Apne Bat kerta Hoon kesi ko achi lagay to achi bat hai kesi ko Iktilaf Hai to Wajohat ki Bina per keray Ager Dalail Mazboot to mein usi waqt apne bat ko ghalt tasleem keron ga sirf apne soch dosray per thonsa yeh darust nahe

isleay kay jo mujhay nazar aaya usi par maiN nay nazariya qaim karlia....!!

ab yeh baat paRhnay waloN par choRta hooN kay woh pehlay ki replies paRhaiN aur phir tumhari yeh baat....!!

laikin pichli posts maiN to tum nay apni baat par zaur dia hai kay maiN theek hooN...?? balkay is reply say opar wali reply he dobara paRh lo...!!


laikin yeh bataiN mery sawalat ka jawab nahee haiN....!! maiN nay simply yeh pocha hai...

1. Proof ki definition kia hai...??
2. kia jo cheez nazar nahee aati us ka wajood bhi nahee hota...??
3. tumharay nazareay maiN kia khaas baat hai, kay tum har mukhalfat karnay walay ko jhaaR detay ho, kia tumhara nazariya he sab say afzal aur behtar hai, agar haan to ANY PROOF...??

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isleay kay jo mujhay nazar aaya usi par maiN nay nazariya qaim karlia....!!

ab yeh baat paRhnay waloN par choRta hooN kay woh pehlay ki replies paRhaiN aur phir tumhari yeh baat....!!

laikin pichli posts maiN to tum nay apni baat par zaur dia hai kay maiN theek hooN...?? balkay is reply say opar wali reply he dobara paRh lo...!!

Meri kis Bat nay Zahir kia jo mein kehta hon wo darust hai ? Allah ka shuker hai aisa kuch nae sochta aisa kuch nahe liktha hoon bus apne bat to us waqt tak darust samajta hoon jab-tak koi usay Ghalt Sabit nahe ker deyta Ager aisi bat Hoti to meri wo post dhekain Jahaan Zapk7 ki bat ko mein nay tasleem kia hai jo ghalt hai wo ghalt hai chaye jo b keray

laikin yeh bataiN mery sawalat ka jawab nahee haiN....!! maiN nay simply yeh pocha hai...

1. Proof ki definition kia hai...??
2. kia jo cheez nazar nahee aati us ka wajood bhi nahee hota...??
3. tumharay nazareay maiN kia khaas baat hai, kay tum har mukhalfat karnay walay ko jhaaR detay ho, kia tumhara nazariya he sab say afzal aur behtar hai, agar haan to ANY PROOF...??

Thora sa sabar kerian

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Bhai mairay main aapko isi point per lana chahti thi.Jab aap logon kay paas koi jawab nahin hota to yehi kahtay hain kay tab intizamia kahan thi.
Hamari intizamia main corruption ki to misaal nahin laikin woh to aapki nazar main islami hai hi nahin.Islam ka da'awa to aapko hai.Jo fard islam ka thaikedaar honay ka da'awa karay us per zimadaari hai kay woh pahlay apnay amal ko islami banaye.
Aap nay isi thread main aik post main hazrat Umar kay dour ki baat ki thi kay tab logon ko islami sazain di gain.Mujhay batain us dor main kiya kisi nay yunhi uth kar saza ka faisla kar diya tha ya yeh hakoomat aur riasat ka faisla tha?
Hazoor-e-akram kay dour main ya khilafat-e-rashida main koi bhi misaal day dain jab kisi nay riasat kay andar riasat banai ho?
Riasat kay andar riasat banana kiya ghair islami nahin hai.
Koi kuch bhi karay laikin jo fard islam ka naam lay kar ghalat kaam karay woh saza ka ziada haqdaar hai.
Aik aur baat mujhay is baat main koi dilchaspi nahin hai kay jamia hafza ka system kaisa chal raha hai,har idara apnay andar better system lata hi hai,mujhay pareeshani hai kay yeh idara mairi riasat ko challenge kar raha hai aur riasat kay system per qaboo pana chahta hai jo main kisi soorat qubool nahin kar sakti.
Waisay main ab bhi is baat per qayam hoon kay yeh aik drama hai jisay waqt sabit karay ga.

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Bhai mairay main aapko isi point per lana chahti thi.Jab aap logon kay paas koi jawab nahin hota to yehi kahtay hain kay tab intizamia kahan thi.

Sorry to say Muje Afsoos Howa Hai Ap nay es Rawaya say Mein Intizamia kay sath sath Lal-Masjid Intazamia ko b Qasoor-war Thera Raha Hoon Kay kay Ghalti un ki b Hai or Hamari GOVT Ki be Hai.....

Hamari intizamia main corruption ki to misaal nahin laikin woh to aapki nazar main islami hai hi nahin.Islam ka da'awa to aapko hai.Jo fard islam ka thaikedaar honay ka da'awa karay us per zimadaari hai kay woh pahlay apnay amal ko islami banaye.

Yeh Kesi Language Use ker Rahi Hain app Islam kay Khadim Zaroor Hain Allah ka Shuker Hai-Apne Aamal Ap Lal-Masjid ki Bat kerti Hain to waqi un ka yeh Amal Darust Nahe Lakin aik Ghalti sab ko Nazar Ati Hai jo Hazaroon Achaiyan hain wo Q Nazar Nahe Ati Hain ? ? ? Jab koi Ghalti Ho jay sab bohat Uchaltey Hain Lakin jab koi Acha Kam kerta Hai to koi Pochta B nahe Hai Q ? or Her Muslim Islam ka Khadim Hai yeh Thekaydari wali Batain as a muslim ap ko zaib nahe dayti hain....

Aap nay isi thread main aik post main hazrat Umar kay dour ki baat ki thi kay tab logon ko islami sazain di gain.Mujhay batain us dor main kiya kisi nay yunhi uth kar saza ka faisla kar diya tha ya yeh hakoomat aur riasat ka faisla tha?

Wo Pure Islamic GOVT Thei Yeh Pure Gair-Islamic Hai Simple

Hazoor-e-akram kay dour main ya khilafat-e-rashida main koi bhi misaal day dain jab kisi nay riasat kay andar riasat banai ho?
Riasat kay andar riasat banana kiya ghair islami nahin hai.
Koi kuch bhi karay laikin jo fard islam ka naam lay kar ghalat kaam karay woh saza ka ziada haqdaar hai.

Koi Shak Nahe jo janta b ho or Ghalti keray us ki pakar zaida hai agreed with u