<<Debate Competition on Pegham>>

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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Urdu, a language full of beauty and grace, a language that seems to have been custom-built for literature, a language that adds meaning to prose and charm to poetry, a language of elegance and polish, a language that marked the dignified from the unlearned, the noble from the ordinary, a language that belonged in the courts of the powerful, in the schools of the wise and the homes of the erudite, a language that might have past the zenith of its splendour, but is still spoken by a many and sold to a many under many a different name.

Urdu, distinguished from Hindi by its script and vocabulary, is the national language of Pakistan and one of the official languages of India. It is one of the most widely spoken languages of South Asia, and has acquired a wider distribution in other parts of the world, notably the UK, where it is regarded as their major cultural language by most Muslims from Pakistan and northern India. Besides its important role as the chief vehicle of Islam in South Asia, Urdu has an important secular literature, whose poetry is closely based on Persian models.

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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so what does i mean that when muslims have developed science that was not in the language of english,they developed science in there own language then why we could't in urdu?simply it's need only hard work to develop any country in any laguage.
as you know my friend that dr abdul qadeer khan did phd from belgium in flamash language and about this languiage i think that you have heard on first time,although belgium is very small country and the official languages of belgium are french and flamash,so if a small country who can develope their science and tecknology in such a language that is not well known by the people of the world,so why we could not in urdu.
one thing i shall be bring in your notice that the main development in the field of science and neuclier tecknology in pakistan have brought from belgium,then we should learn flamash language,why english?
but my dear friend if belgium can develop their science and thecknology in a domestic language then we could also develop it in our proud urdu language,thanks.

We are making comperison and plz be very much fair while you evaluate and compare the two contrasting things. It has not been a milestone or everything if a Muslim Scientists has discovered a few formulas of Mathematics and so. What we are studing in our syllabous is mostly borrowed from Goras, you should also pay homage to those who are busy in making your life much easier. You always push me to go off the track. Anyways i have given a number of clarifications in rena's reply.

[Mujahid Khan]

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We are making comperison and plz be very much fair while you evaluate and compare the two contrasting things. It has not been a milestone or everything if a Muslim Scientists has discovered a few formulas of Mathematics and so. What we are studing in our syllabous is mostly borrowed from Goras, you should also pay homage to those who are busy in making your life much easier. You always push me to go off the track. Anyways i have given a number of clarifications in rena's reply.

if u r agree that muslim scientists have discovered some formulas of mathimatics plz u give me with proof that british have discovered something and plz now don't say that dr abdul qadeer khan have only discoverd neuclier tecknology in pakistan even american forces with all tecknologies will support us when v will learn english:khi:

[Saira_abdul]

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It is always useful to speak English as it the most spoken language in the world. However it is personal choice. I believe it is important, we speak it in Ireland, England and America and there are countries that have a lot of English speakers so yes, I think English is important.

[Mujahid Khan]

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It is always useful to speak English as it the most spoken language in the world. However it is personal choice. I believe it is important, we speak it in Ireland, England and America and there are countries that have a lot of English speakers so yes, I think English is important.

i think this is not a big reason for the importance of english that it is spoken in ireland,england, and america.
french is also spoken in france,belgium,england,canada and america and in manny countries of africa,that is another matter because we are talking about english compare to urdu in pakistan.

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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if u r agree that muslim scientists have discovered some formulas of mathimatics plz u give me with proof that british have discovered something and plz now don't say that dr abdul qadeer khan have only discoverd neuclier tecknology in pakistan even american forces with all tecknologies will support us when v will learn english:khi:

Don't you have anyone else in ur team to come forward with something logical and good :tauba

[lucky]

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first of all why should we go to the english country?
if some body comes to our country he should also think to learn urdu why should we?
and for ur kind information we still could't solve our own problems why should we solve his problems.
to preach some body we have many muslim pearchers in all over the world,we don't need to worry about translator r to learn english:khi:
in our pakistan people have suffered in english phobia:khi:

for your kind information many Pakistanies are in abroad at this time.and many are trying to go there.why they r trying?
we are learnt English as a compulsory subject but in English countries does not teach Urdu even as elective subject.understand?:tasali:
ok you will not help them in any problem.it means that if some guest comes to your home you will not take care of them.
if some one ask you any address you will not tell him.strange:mm:
we need to promote English keep it in mind:tasali:

[Mujahid Khan]

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Don't you have anyone else in ur team to come forward with something logical and good :tauba

i think i am enough alone for the poor logics of ur team:khi:

[Saira_abdul]

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There are 41,806 different spoken languages in the world today.

[lucky]

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You know the resason of decreasing this number of studnets in urdu studies its beacuse of lack of future opportunities.If you are MA in Urdu ,good taste of litratutre but this thing didn't help you to built your successfull future you would have very less opportunities might be you would become a lecturer or a teacher or any of the field related to the Arts but its not a long lasting career ,the world is moving a head you have to compete them as a lecturer may be you would call ur self successfull but in a University how many lecturers would be required ,10,20 or 50 i don't think so more than that .this figure won't cross thousands and you could analysise the number of studants if 2 or 3 or max 5 would become lecturers from a passing group than what will remaining studants will do?do you think they would have any good option?they couldn't join any of multinational firmbeacuse of lack of english,and i think being a Pakistani you 'll know the positions of government jobs.

So why not studants would choose that options who they will think the path to their future succes.At this point you will sayu the succes will not depend on language but by brother it is a path towards it.

aquari very good
keep it up:thmbup:

[Saira_abdul]

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my parsnal views about urdu

[lucky]

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Mr sensible i want to tell you something.
Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH)said,
get knowledge or education from the lap of your mother to the grave.
at another place He(PBUH) said,
get knowledge or education wish you have to go china.
and for your kind information language is also a knowldge or education.
i told you before that some times we have to preach people.that was Hadith.
Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) said,
learn the language of the world because somtimes you have to preach the people in their own language.
you answerd that we have many preachers in all over the world.
ok i m agree with u.
but tell me onething,they also learnt English.why they learnt English language?
i tell you why.because they felt the importance and need of English language.
we need and we should promote English and English.

[Wafa]

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the success of the products in international market are not depending on english language as i have told u before that if u r selling ur product to english countreis its ok,but if u r selling ur product to the countries remain coulonies of britain its also ok but if u r selling ur product to another country they will never accept the english language as for the example i had told u that french dutch german spainish and in all of there coulonies u can't sell ur product in english even in arabic countries u have to give the litrature and the use of the product in arabi.

In Arabic countries they accept the product in english language....today in high posts all english people are there.......they have realized the importance of this language and now its compulsory to talk one year english course before doing bachlors for them........:)
There are many reason that English should be promoted in Pakistan.....we should promote english not spanish,german aur chainese...becoz in pak most of the higher education is in english and many people already have realize its importance and started taking this as their second language....:)

[Wafa]

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My dear sister i agree with this fact that urdu has vast and beautiful work in litrature but this litrature so much fantisize us as a hobby as a time pass but you couldn't rely your self on this litrature.I myself very fond of Urdu litrature,good collection of books and also writting some stuff in Urdu but this is not my proffesion,its just to relax my mind or you can say as a hobby.I read litrature just to refresh my mind but practicaly offcoarse there is no space of such stuff.
Litrature will give you relaxation but not fulfil your basic need of life:)
And a starving stomach and tired of brain from finnacial issues will absolutly wouldn't give you any cheerish from this beautiful poetry ,cultural elegance and charming of litrature.

you are absolutely right....:thmbup:

[Mujahid Khan]

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In Arabic countries they accept the product in english language....today in high posts all english people are there.......they have realized the importance of this language and now its compulsory to talk one year english course before doing bachlors for them........:)
There are many reason that English should be promoted in Pakistan.....we should promote english not spanish,german aur chainese...becoz in pak most of the higher education is in english and many people already have realize its importance and started taking this as their second language....:)

as you all are pushing english as a verry importatant language but i did't hear from any of you that we should promote arabic language because that is our fundmental islamic religiuos language,if i am promoting urdu that our national language and the alphabet of urdu are also same arabic language,so first of all we should promote urdu language because that is our national language and then we should promote arabic language istead of english because this is our islsmic language:)
before the incident of 9/11 america and his unoin were also fighting against muslims,and why they have start fighting in a different way because they had conqued the majoraty of the muslims minds idealogicaly and after 9/11 they are fighting oppenly,now the question is that why we could't understand that they are destroying us?
because they have succeed in the first war of idealogy against muslims and they have conquered the minds of the majoraty of the muslims,and they devided the muslim people of the world very easily in two catogaries,idealogists and extremists,so the people who have conquered by them are idealogists,the people like you,who want to promote english,so i shall say that peolple who want to promote english are mentaly salves :)