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Re: امام مہدی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ اسلام
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Re: امام مہدی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ اسلام
manay bhi kisi book may ye parha tha jagut guru tu nahi but inhy kisi akhri autar ka intazar hay jo unkay tahqiq qaro ki nazar may muhammad-(sali ala wali waslum) kay roop may a chuka hayOriginally posted by بابا کھجل سائیں View Postہے الف و لیلہ سی زندگی درپیش
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Re: امام مہدی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ اسلام
right right ...buhat umda aur malomati mazmon ban raha hay ...jazakAllahOriginally posted by بابا کھجل سائیں View Postہے الف و لیلہ سی زندگی درپیش
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Aslam-o-alikum wa Rehmat-ullah...!!
Jahan tak iss topic per meree study hai....
Qurb-e-Qyammat main Noozol-e-Imam Mehdi (R.H) ka concept aik 'shia concept' hai..jo baad k Ahle-suunat nay shia hazrat say mutaa'asir ho ker adopt kia..ager iss baray main kisee ko mazeed tafeel darkar ho tu book say iqtebaas day sakta hoon.."Concept of Imam Mehdi (A Shia Doctrine)"....
Jahan tak Hazrat Esa (A.S) k nozzoll ka sawal hai..tu ye saabit hi both Quran or Sahi-o-mutawatir Ahadees-e-Nabwi (S.W) say k wo qurb-e-qiyamat nazil hongay aur dajjal akbar ka khatma karain gay..Aap (A.s) k nazool ka inkar kernay waly...Fasiq hain aur sahi muslman nahi hain....(Wallah Alam)
Allah-o-Akbar Kabeera, Wal Hamdulillaah-e-Kaseera, Subhan Allah-e-Bukratan-wa-Aseela
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Re: امام مہدی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ اسلام
Originally posted by Muhammad Ali Jawad View Post
ok dain tafseel hummay andaza tu ho sach jhoot ka jabkay inpay ahadees bhi hain...theek hain shia hazrat may bayshumar buriyan sahi magar kisi ko non-muslim kahna theek nahi Allah ko aur muhammad (sali ala wali waslum) aur quran ko tu manty hain...chlin app detail dain dekhty hain manay bhi aik shia-book may imam mahndi ka parha tha
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CONCEPT OF IMAM MAHDI...A SHIA DOCTRINE..Originally posted by jamil123 View Post ok dain tafseel hummay andaza tu ho sach jhoot ka jabkay inpay ahadees bhi hain...theek hain shia hazrat may bayshumar buriyan sahi magar kisi ko non-muslim kahna theek nahi Allah ko aur muhammad (sali ala wali waslum) aur quran ko tu manty hain...chlin app detail dain dekhty hain manay bhi aik shia-book may imam mahndi ka parha tha
The 12 IMAM of the Ahlul Bayt (shia sect):
IMAM Ali, IMAM Hassan, IMAM Hussein, IMAM Zayn al-'Abedin, IMAM Muhammad ibn Ali al-Baqir, IMAM Ja'far ibn Muhammad Al-Sadiq, IMAM Musa ibn Ja'far Kazim, IMAM Ali ibn Musa al-Ridha, IMAM Muhammad Taqi, IMAM Ali ibn Muhammad Naqi, IMAM Askari, IMAM MUHAMMAD MAHDI
Before Ahadith were collected by Bukhari and Muslim, and way after Imam Ali (ra), Imam Hassan (ra), and Imam Hussein (ra), there formed a sect called the 'shia sect'. They believed that victory would eventually come for them, even after Imam Ali was martyred, and even after Khalifa Mu'hawiya (ra) took the Khilafat from the later martyred Imam Hassan (ra), that there was still no doubt that victory would come for the ahlul bayt (house of the prophet). After the demise of their 11th Imam, Imam Askari, it was said that Imam Muhammad Mehdi was to take the leadership, though he was a young child. However, it is said that the young child disappeared before even being elected! When Ahadith were being collected, it became narrated in SHIA AHADITH (they have seperate Ahadith for the most part, and they reject Bukhari and Muslim), but it was narrated in Shia Ahadith that among the descendants of Ali and Hassan, there would appear at the end of times, the 12th Imam, who shall be known as Imam Mehdi. And Imam Mehdi will bring victory to Islam, and will bring victory to the ahlul bayt (and the shi'ites). They narrated NUMEROUS ahadith about their Imam! What is really amazing is that there is not a SINGLE Hadith in Bukhari or Muslim, in regards to the Imam Mehdi, and in fact Bukhari was known to have rejected the entire concept!
In order to verify whether a hadith or narration is authentic and reliable, the narrators whose names appear in the sanad are scrutinised. This procedure, known in Islamic terminology as Jarah wa Ta'deel .....
Upon studying the chain of transmission quoted above (in the Dar Qutni Hadith) we firstly notice that this sanad does not reach right up to Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam. It stops on Muhammad bin Ali, the great-grandson of Ameerul Mumineen Hazrat Ali <
Already funny, is that a Shia, and member of the ahlul bayt, Muhammad bin Ali, is the last name in the sanad! But thats not all ....
Secondly, two names appear in this chain, viz. Amar bin Shamir and Jaabir. Let us now study statements of the Muhadditheen regarding the authenticity and integrity of these two:
The author, Imam Dare Qutni himself!!!, after quoting this narration, singles out these two figures in the chain of transmission and states: Both are unreliable narrators. Their narrations are not admissible as proof to substantiate any claim. (Dare Qutni vol.2 p.65)
Allama Zhahabi, a great authority on hadith has the following entry in his famous critique, Meezaanul I'tidaal:
Amar bin Shamir: A Shia from Kufa. Yahya (bin Mu'een) says about him and his narrations: (He is) a non-entity (unimportant). Jauzjaani says about him and his narrations: A misguided impostor. Ibni Hibbaan says about him and his narrations: This man is a Shia who insults the Sahaba, and fabricates narrations in the name of authentic Ulema. Imam Bukhari says: His narrations are rejected. Yahya says: His narrations should not be recorded. Suleimani says: This Amar used to fabricate narrations for the Shias. Imam Nasaai says: His narrations have been discarded. (Meezaanul I'tidaal vol. P.268)
Allama Ibni Hajar quotes the following in his work, Lisaanul Meezaan: Ibni Abi Haatim says: I asked my father(Abu Haatim) about him (Amar bin Shamir), and he replied: His ahadeeth are totally rejected, a weak narrator, a person one should never get involved with. The Muhadditheen have forsaken him. Abu Abdullah Haakim (a high ranking authority on hadith) states: He has many fabrications narrated from Jabir Juafi, and no-one else besides him (Amar bin Shamir) narrate these blatant fabrications from Jabir.
(Lisaanul Meezaan vol. P. 367)
My personal belief is that the concept of Imam Mahdi is entirely a Shia doctrine inserted into the Ahadith. It is not the only shia Hadith inserted into Ahadith. Check this out, in the most authentic collections of Ahadith, Sahih Muslim, the following is narrated, that in the final Khutba of the Prophet (sa), he stated thus:
... "I leave with you two things, the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt, if you follow these two things you will never go astray" (Muslim) ...
It is accepted among mainstream Islam, that the two things the Prophet (sa) left us with, as stated in his last Khutba, is infact Quran and Sunnah, not Quran and ahlul bayt! The ahlul bayt (house of the prophet), is a shia doctrine.
Similarly you will find Ahadith about the Ummah being given 12 Imams etc. etc. So in other words, the shia have indeed inserted and attempted to insert, their own ahadith in the ahadith of mainstream Islam (noting the fact that Ahadith were collected 200 years after Rasul Allah (sa)'s demise and after the formation of the shia sect).
The reports about Messiah have been accepted by all the great authorities of Hadith, whereas the reports relating to Mahdi have been rejected not only by Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim, but also by many eminent scholars of Hadith. There is no doubt that all these reports have been greatly tampered with for various reasons, so much so, that even those who believe in the coming of Mahdi only accept the fundamental fact of his advent.
The fact of the matter is that there is nothing mentioned in the Glorious Quran about a "Imam Mahdi", and furthermore, not mentioned in the two most authentic collections of Ahadith, Bukhari and Muslim, proving the fact that this prophecy was known to be a shia doctrine, rejected by the scholars of Islam. Therefore, the double eclipses being a sign for a real "Imam Mahdi", could infact be a sign for a false person to come.
Allah-o-Akbar Kabeera, Wal Hamdulillaah-e-Kaseera, Subhan Allah-e-Bukratan-wa-Aseela
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Re: امام مہدی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ اسلام
salam to admin & friends:''
inkay mazmoon last paragraph sara sar firqawariat pay mubni hay
now admin decide who are here trying to fight between fiqahs
i don't think its good & anybody allow to touch sensitive things
(topics) or related things that cause creat mis-understandings between
fiqhas please...pegham is like home of every fiqah not a battle field
thanks
اس معاملے کی حقیقت یہ ہے کہ وہاں ایک "امام مہدی" کے بارے میں بڑی عظمت والا قرآن میں ذکر نہیں ہے ، احادیث بخاری اور مسلم کی دو سب سے زیادہ مستند مجموعہ میں ذکر نہیں کیا یہ حقیقت ہے کہ اس پیشن گوئی کو معلوم ہونا تھا ثابت ایک شیعہ اصول ، اسلام کے علماء کرام نے رد. لہذا ، ڈبل گرہن ایک حقیقی "امام مہدی" کے لئے ایک نشانی کیا جا رہا ہے ہو سکتا ہے ایک جھوٹ کے لئے آئے شخص کے لئے عبرت کا نشانہے الف و لیلہ سی زندگی درپیش
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@Muhamad Ali jawad
Abhi is pa comment nahii karo ga q k
Aik aur Bohat Important Question Hadiths ka mutaliq Maray Zehan ma ..jis na mujhe
kafi uljhan ma dala aur ya Ma Is post Ka complete Hoty Hi alag Topic Ma Discuss karo ga
I think Aabi 2 cool uss silslay ma kafi Helpful sabit hosaktay..
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Re: امام مہدی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ اسلام
Originally posted by jamil123 View Post
Meray bhai....pehlee baat ha k ye koi fiqah ka maslaa nahi aur na hi yahan per firqa wariyat mozzo hai...bulke aik concept paish kia gaya hai...jo Imam Mahdi k nazool ki haqeeqat say mtaa'aliq hai...aur ye post mainy aap hi ki request per lagee hai (aap nay kaha tha k iss topic per details dain) ...its just a concept...ager aap mujhay tanqeed ka nishana banana chahte hain..tu unn tamam Alimoon ku bhi tanqeed ka nishana banain jinhoon nay iss concept ku shai concept qarar dia...
Shayed aap nay dekha nahi k main akser post k baad "Wallah Alam" likhta hoon jiss ka matlab hai "Allah behter janata hai"..aur yahan iss forum per hum fight nahi kertay bulkeh sirf knowledge share kernay atay hain (iss liye iss ka naam behas-o-mubahisa rakha gaya hai) ..haan ager aap ku kisee firqay say ziada humdardee hai..jiss k khilaaf aap kuch nahi sunn saktay tu ye alag baat hai..
Allah-o-Akbar Kabeera, Wal Hamdulillaah-e-Kaseera, Subhan Allah-e-Bukratan-wa-Aseela
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Theek hai jenab....I'll wait for your commeents..Originally posted by بابا کھجل سائیں View Post
Allah-o-Akbar Kabeera, Wal Hamdulillaah-e-Kaseera, Subhan Allah-e-Bukratan-wa-Aseela
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ok now leave this topic...emotional ho kay may nay kah dia ab mujhy pata tha ..its not only attack on ahul-bait(ahul-tashi) indirectly on ahul-sunnat ..i request now is topic ko yahi khtum kardia jay warna maden jung ban jay ga thank you so muchOriginally posted by Muhammad Ali Jawad View Postہے الف و لیلہ سی زندگی درپیش
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