Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

[Shaim]

Assalam-o-Alikum Every1!!














Kiiya app iss Roshan Khiyali orr Modernism see agree haain jisse Musharraf Uncle appnee tarz maai define n elaborate kerrte haain???


Khush Rahiyye Always!

[khurram_shaikh]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

W salaam,


baarish i dont know much abt pakistan but being a muslim main to aaj kal yehi dekh rahaa ke aaj jo bhi hum sab ker rahe wo bilkool ghalat ker rahe aur yeh sab isliye ke humaare diloon mien khauf e Allaah nahin rahaa Allaah hum sab musalmaanoon ko naek raaste per chalnien ki taufeeq ataa kare aameen summa ameen

[Yaaram]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

aik baat hi kehna chahoN ga ke hum ko utna azad khayal hona chahye ke is se humare mazhab per koi asar na ho.....hum apni Islami tarjeehat bhool jayin

[Brijinder]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

Hi
You have started a very stimulating debate. For me ,modernism means to evolve,to understand the past and make a sensible n honest assesment so that our present n future can be beautiful.For example,to me western culture has taught a lot,like their sense to explore,to to go beyond our conditioned responses,to have a secular n democratic sense of life,to be able to challange even our own conviction and above all their great sense of humour.But for many,western culture means what is trash in western culture like their is trash in every culture.Then these very people who donot bother to learn just condemn it in total.
I have also learnt to respect almost every culture that I have studies becuase of its uniqueness.
For me,we have to understand that our insistence that our own religion is greatest is just a childish ego-trip.It is just a reflection of our conditioned upbringing n our inability to overcome it.It applies to my own religion too.
Hope to get good critical feedback.
Brijinder"Sagar"

[khan]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

AOA,

Aap ki baat bohat achi hai aap nain aik achi taraf tawajo dilayi hai asal main main hum apni asaani k liye aksar koch naiya late hain yahan masla nain masayail hain daishatgardi b un he main ata hai meri naqas rahye hai k jahan koch ahse hain intahapasad jo k deen ki baat kar k uksate hain aur un nojawanoon ko istamaal karte hain ye jo sadar sahib kar rahye hain un k liye hai k k ane wali nasal koch intahapasand na waqya ho lakin mahsoos hota hai k kisi ko kush karne k liye hum koch ziyada he kar rahye hain aik nokte se ye acha b hai aur bora b lakin muje umeed hai k baat ki wazahat ki zaroorat nain k kis nk liye kar rahye hain aur kion kar rahye hain go iss se hum intahapasand nain paida kar rahye lakin bohat si ahsi cheezain samne ayi hain k loog khas kar nojawaan nazaiba harkatain kar k iss mohye ki arR laite hain jo k sara sar ghalt hai agar iss ko hum mosbat andaaz main lain to iss main koi harj nain hai lakin yahan is ko mosbaat kam socha ja raha hai jo k kable mozammat hai aur uss ki main b mozammat karoon ga.


Sohail Abbasi.

[Z.]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

Barish nice topic (Y)

there is no such thing as modern Islam,

and regarding musharraf's point of views.....the way the media is doing in Pak. these days.....i just dont agree with him

aik baat hi kehna chahoN ga ke hum ko utna azad khayal hona chahye ke is se humare mazhab per koi asar na ho.....hum apni Islami tarjeehat bhool jayin

Islam khudi aik Roshan Khayal Madhab hai,

[khan]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

AOA,

Islam khudi aik Roshan Khayal Madhab hai

Aap nain aik jomle main bohat koch kah diya :masha


Sohail Abbasi.

[Z.]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

Hi
You have started a very stimulating debate. For me ,modernism means to evolve,to understand the past and make a sensible n honest assesment so that our present n future can be beautiful.For example,to me western culture has taught a lot,like their sense to explore,to to go beyond our conditioned responses,to have a secular n democratic sense of life,to be able to challange even our own conviction and above all their great sense of humour.But for many,western culture means what is trash in western culture like their is trash in every culture.Then these very people who donot bother to learn just condemn it in total.
I have also learnt to respect almost every culture that I have studies becuase of its uniqueness.
For me,we have to understand that our insistence that our own religion is greatest is just a childish ego-trip.It is just a reflection of our conditioned upbringing n our inability to overcome it.It applies to my own religion too.
Hope to get good critical feedback.
Brijinder"Sagar"

Hello,
I am Muslim ALhumdulillah, i'll inshALlah reply your post accordingly :)

1-wat you think about modernism is simply :thmbup:

2- I agree with you the way the western ppl are into exploring things these days which we muslism have forgotten ....
infact back in 8th, 9th, 10th till 12th centuries muslim scholars opened the doors of science and used knowledge to explore things
like we have
a-Al-khawarizmi
b-Al-beruni
c-ibn seena (known by his name Avisen)
d-Al Razi (razis)
e-Abul Qasim Az Zahrawi (abul Qasis)
etc

3-regarding secular and democratic system....islam taught us all this 1400 years ago ....but malheursement muslim countries are not applying it correctly

4- culture ..... :)
Iqbal says

bura na maan' zara aazma key deykh issey
farang dil ki kharabi' khurd ki ma'moori

5-Respect...again islam taught me this

6-

For me,we have to understand that our insistence that our own religion is greatest is just a childish ego-trip.It is just a reflection of our conditioned upbringing n our inability to overcome it.It applies to my own religion too.
Hope to get good critical feedback.

no brijinder to us our relegion is not just a childish ego, coz we are not taught to believe but to know wat v are believing, as islam is not just a relegion but its a compelete way of life

[tauseeftariq]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

modernism.... sirf khawaten ke libaas main kiyon? why not in science and technology

1.
ek kadwi aur sachi baat khoon ... humari NGO's aur "so called hig soctiey" key nazdeek tu

modernism yeh hai ke ladkiyon kum kum kapdey pehnain.. jis ladky ke sath ghomin
...... aur "jo chai kerin" .. agher jo un sub batoon ok bura khey tu BAckward hai
aur jo yeh kaam kery woh mode hai

mujey samjh nahin ataa hamara modrenism sirf ladkiyon ,fashion Music aur co edutction,
valentin day etc......... tek hi kiyon mehdoodh hai
kiya hum kisi technology main aghey bahdnay ka sochty hain? Computer filed main
koi teer mara hai hum nain ?,,,, agher nahin tu phir yeh Modernism kis liey hai
kiya aur sey us ke haiya chenain ke liey yeh modrenism banaa hai

aur ladkiyan shaid as baat per mujh sey agree kerin ge .. Jo ladkiyan ziyda mode hoti hai
sub sey ziyda Filart , dhoka, un he ke saath hoty hain .. even un ki izzat mehfoz nahin
rehti..... ladky un ko sir "time paas" samjthy hain ..
un mode ladkiyon ke haqeet tu main sirf ek waaqey sey biayn ker saktaa hoon ,, jo
pakistan main howa .. aur mode city islamabad main .. but sirf ishara ker reha hon
Rules and regulation ke wajaa sey khul ker nahin kahoon gaa....

tu jab modernism khud aurt ka buraa hall ker detaa hai aur humara modrenism sirf
aurt aur lakdi tek mehdoo hai tu phir us ka kiya fidaa??

2.
jo bhi cheez islam key against ho woh chahey dekhnin main kitni bhi achi lagi haaqeet main bhut badi buri hai aur haum us ko nahin tasleem kerty

3.
president mushraf ke adhi batin sir sayasi biyan hotey hain .. "just to show others"
...lehaaza sara ilzam un ko dena bhi dursat nahin
humara media bhi as ka zimdar hai ......

Finaly agher modrein ism ya roshin khiyali sirf aurt ke had tek hain tu hum ko nahin chahiya ....... agher technlogy main ho tu most welcome........

a thujh ko batoon main tarik e immum kiya hai
shemsher o sana awal tawos o rubab akhir

[Brijinder]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

Hi Friends,
I am a sikh by birth by just a human being by choice.I have decided not to take the crutches of religion to justify all my weaknesses.This freedom to stand on one's own feet is not easy,believe me.This entails huge responsibilty as then one is responsible for all of his/her actions.
Comparitive study has been my passion.I have studies various religions-not just one book on each.And I have found that each religion is unique and has unique insights to offer.It is just our condtioning that makes us believe that the religion of our birth is the greatest.That is a very stereotypical view of the people who refuse to take the challange of adventure with the ideas.Also each religion has generated its own weaknesses .And it applies to all the religions,including the religion of my birth.
I request you all to give yourselves the wings and explore the unchartded terrotories of mind n soul.Don't deny this beautiful adventure by putting shackles to your own feet.
Hope I am understood in the right spirit.
Brijinder"Sagar'

[Shaim]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

W salaam,


baarish i dont know much abt pakistan but being a muslim main to aaj kal yehi dekh rahaa ke aaj jo bhi hum sab ker rahe wo bilkool ghalat ker rahe aur yeh sab isliye ke humaare diloon mien khauf e Allaah nahin rahaa Allaah hum sab musalmaanoon ko naek raaste per chalnien ki taufeeq ataa kare aameen summa ameen

Orr phirr iss perr agerr mazzedd modernism orr roshaan khiyalii chaahiin gee too pata naahi kiia haal hoo gaa hamaara?

Allah see Uskkaa rehemm orr karamm chahtee haain buss!orr sahee maanon maai roshan khiyali bhi!

[Shaim]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

aik baat hi kehna chahoN ga ke hum ko utna azad khayal hona chahye ke is se humare mazhab per koi asar na ho.....hum apni Islami tarjeehat bhool jayin

ur comments!
AMEEEEN!

[Shaim]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

Hi
You have started a very stimulating debate. For me ,modernism means to evolve,to understand the past and make a sensible n honest assesment so that our present n future can be beautiful.For example,to me western culture has taught a lot,like their sense to explore,to to go beyond our conditioned responses,to have a secular n democratic sense of life,to be able to challange even our own conviction and above all their great sense of humour.But for many,western culture means what is trash in western culture like their is trash in every culture.Then these very people who donot bother to learn just condemn it in total.
I have also learnt to respect almost every culture that I have studies becuase of its uniqueness.
For me,we have to understand that our insistence that our own religion is greatest is just a childish ego-trip.It is just a reflection of our conditioned upbringing n our inability to overcome it.It applies to my own religion too.
Hope to get good critical feedback.
Brijinder"Sagar"

Hi!





Have Happiness n Prosperity!

[Shaim]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

AOA,

Aap ki baat bohat achi hai aap nain aik achi taraf tawajo dilayi hai asal main main hum apni asaani k liye aksar koch naiya late hain yahan masla nain masayail hain daishatgardi b un he main ata hai meri naqas rahye hai k jahan koch ahse hain intahapasad jo k deen ki baat kar k uksate hain aur un nojawanoon ko istamaal karte hain ye jo sadar sahib kar rahye hain un k liye hai k k ane wali nasal koch intahapasand na waqya ho lakin mahsoos hota hai k kisi ko kush karne k liye hum koch ziyada he kar rahye hain aik nokte se ye acha b hai aur bora b lakin muje umeed hai k baat ki wazahat ki zaroorat nain k kis nk liye kar rahye hain aur kion kar rahye hain go iss se hum intahapasand nain paida kar rahye lakin bohat si ahsi cheezain samne ayi hain k loog khas kar nojawaan nazaiba harkatain kar k iss mohye ki arR laite hain jo k sara sar ghalt hai agar iss ko hum mosbat andaaz main lain to iss main koi harj nain hai lakin yahan is ko mosbaat kam socha ja raha hai jo k kable mozammat hai aur uss ki main b mozammat karoon ga.


Sohail Abbasi.

Walikum Assalam!

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Thx 4 ur comments!
Khush Rahiyye!

[Shaim]

Re: Modernism & Roshan Khiyali?

Barish nice topic (Y)

there is no such thing as modern Islam,

and regarding musharraf's point of views.....the way the media is doing in Pak. these days.....i just dont agree with him




Islam khudi aik Roshan Khayal Madhab hai,

Thx 4 appreciation!
Thx 4 ur comments sis!
Apnnee billkull thiik kahaa I also agree wid u:)

Khush Rahhiyyee!