Yeh Zulm Kab Tak???

[Masood]

Hamarey yahan last week aik bohat bura hadisa huwa hai. Jis ney ham (pakistaniyon) ka image bohat kharab kiya hai.

Aik larki ki chat per kisi pathan larkey sey dosti hui, dono aik doosrey sey miley aur pasand kiya, nobat shadi tak pohanch gaee. Larki ney apney waldein, jo - afsos'nak baat hai keh merey paidaishi shehar key aik qareebi gaoun key rehney waley hain, aur apney elaqey mein uka bohat asar-o-rasookh hai, sey baat ki to woh biggar gaey keh yeh nahin ho sakta.

Larki aur larka aik doosrey ko bohat chahtey they, unhon ney waldein ki razamandi key bghair shadi karney ka faesal kar liya aur larki ney ghar chhorr diya aur Police ko itlaa kar di keh unki hifazat ki jaey. Woh doosrey shehar chaley gaey.

Aik haftah talaash key baad bhai aur baap ney (ghalban chhoti behan ko majboor kiya keh btaey keh uski behan kahan hai, jo usney ugal diya). Bhai ney us shehar mein jaa ker itfaqan ussey woh bazaar mein nazar aaey aur bhai ney firing kar ki. Larki moqa per mari gaee lekin larka bach geya hai.

Is waqeya key bohat sey aspects hain:

• kya woh larki apney haq per thi?
• kya waldein ko uski baat maan jana chahiye thi?
• kya bhai ka apni behan ko qatal karna banta hai?
• kya yeh qatal bad'nami sey bachney key kiya geya hai, ya is sey bad'nami mazeed phailti hai?
• Maghribi media har baat Islam sey mansalook karta hai, aap key nazdeek problem kahan hai?
• kya chating karni chahiyr? aur kya nobat yahan tak aani chahiye?
• yeh waqeya is baat ka saboot nahin keh larkiyon ko apni marzi sey apney mustaqbil ka koi bhi faesla karney ka haq nahin?

..... kuchh bhi ho, is waqeya ney aik baar phir hamara yahan is moashrey mein munh kala kar diya hai

['SamRazi']

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• kya woh larki apney haq per thi?

Wo lerki galat thi, Pyar insan ko maan baap ki nafarmani nahi sikhata. Ager waldein razi nahi ho rahey they to ounhein mananey ki hatal-imkaan koshish kerni chahiyeh thi aur sabar kerna chahiyeh tha.

• kya waldein ko uski baat maan jana chahiye thi?

Waldein maan jatey ager ounhein yeh sab sahi lagta to......... Humarey han new generation main yahi burayi hai ke wo maan baap jinho ne janam diya, pala posa, ounhi per aetebar nahi kertey. Her baat per khudh faisla kerna chahtey hain, Beshak wo ker saktey hain, apna acha bura soch saktey hain, magar sirf apni mehdood soch ki hadth tak apne present ke liye. Jabkey maan baap tajarba kaar honey ke sath sath door andesh bhi hotey hain, aur apni aulad se mohabbat bhi kertey hain, wo apni aulad ke present ko nahi sath sath future ko samney rakh ker faisla kertey hain. Bas itni si baat in ki samajh main nahi aati.

• kya bhai ka apni behan ko qatal karna banta hai?

Ous ka yeh qadam jahat ki nishandahi kerta hai, ous ki behan ne beshak galati ki, magar ounhin qatal kerne ka haq ous ke bhai ko to kya khudh maan baap ko bhi nahi tha, ager ousey saza ka aur wo bhi moat ki saza sunaney ka haq kisi ko nahi siwayeh Khuda ki wahi zaat ke. Wo lerka (bhai) ab oun se zada bara mujrim hai.

• kya yeh qatal bad'nami sey bachney key kiya geya hai, ya is sey bad'nami mazeed phailti hai?

Qatal jurm hai waja koi bhi ho, aur ager maan baap ko badnaami ka itna hi darr tha to seedhey seedhey bacho ki khushi per razamand kiu nahi huwey, ab kya izzat yaan kya bad'nami.

• Maghribi media har baat Islam sey mansalook karta hai, aap key nazdeek problem kahan hai?

Problem hum main hi hai, gairo'n main nahi. Humara hi imaan kamzor hai. Ager imaan mazbot hota, wo sab log shariyat se aagah hotey to sab apni jagah sahi rasta ikhtiyar kertey.

- Waldein ko pata hota, shariyat ke mutabiq dono ko ek dosrey ko pasand kerna, bina zaat paat ke farq ke, shadi kerna jayez hai, wo ous ki mukhalifat na kertey.

- Waldein ki mukhalifat ke bawajood lerkey aur lerki ko apney jazbat per qaboo hota aur waldein ki nafarmani kertey huwey yeh rasta ikhtiyar na kertey.

- Bhai jahalat ki bina per yeh herkat na kerta.

Dosro ka koi kasoor nahi, huamrey imaan humarey yaqin main hi kami hai.

• kya chating karni chahiyr? aur kya nobat yahan tak aani chahiye?

Chatting main koi burayi nahi, jab tak cahtting kerne waley / wali ko apni limits ka pata ho. Aur apney jazbat aur khawahishon per qaboo ho. Ager na ho to aisey log chatting se avoid karein.

• yeh waqeya is baat ka saboot nahin keh larkiyon ko apni marzi sey apney mustaqbil ka koi bhi faesla karney ka haq nahin?

Nahi, yeh waqiya is baat ki alamat hai ke huamrey barey bazurgh aaj bhi kuch extreem hain, oun ki soch qadamat pasand hai. Yeh humara farz banta hai ke jese hum duniya ki raho'n per agey barhtey hain wese apney parents ko bhi aitemad main lai ker apney views samjhayein aur apni her baat oun se share karein takey ounhein maloom ho ke oun ki aulad kis direction main ja rahi hai. Aaj ki generation apney parents ko qadamat pasand samajh ker kuch share nahi kertey aur khudh ko mukamal khudhmukhtar samajhtey hain, jabkey wo hotey anhi. Aur jab yeh batein parents ke samney aati hain to oun ke liyeh accept kerna namumkin hota hai. Oun main aur oun ki aulad main ek gap rehta hai jissey fil kerna mainly aulad per munhasir hota hai, wo chahein to karein chahein to na karein. [/QUOTE]

[*Hala*]

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mmm so sad newz ............

first you say whats your own opinion about this ???

[Masood]

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kya woh larki apney haq per thi?
kya waldein ko uski baat maan jana chahiye thi?
kya bhai ka apni behan ko qatal karna banta hai?
kya yeh qatal bad'nami sey bachney key kiya geya hai, ya is sey bad'nami mazeed phailti hai?
Maghribi media har baat Islam sey mansalook karta hai, aap key nazdeek problem kahan hai?
kya chating karni chahiyr? aur kya nobat yahan tak aani chahiye?
yeh waqeya is baat ka saboot nahin keh larkiyon ko apni marzi sey apney mustaqbil ka koi bhi faesla karney ka haq nahin?

Muhabbat aik aisa jazbah hai jis per zaat paat, oonch neech, rang-o-nasal aur elaqey ki qaid nahin. Yeh jazbah dil ka dil sey, rooh ka rooh sey hai lehaza issey muqaddas hi rakha jaey. So us larki aur larkey ko pura haq tha. Lekin jo baat unho ney ghalat ki thi, woh ghar sey bhagney wali ki thi. Muhabbat ki qurbani dena aur aik bhatki hui larki ko apney paoun per kharra karna kisi kisi key bas mein hota hai :) . Woh dono na'samajh they aur ghalat raah per chal nikley.

Waldein ka qasoor yeh hai keh unhein apni aulad ki khushi sey ziyada aziz apni NAAK hai. Woh yeh nahin sun saktey keh "...kitney be'ghairat hain baiti ghar chhorr kar chali gaee aur yeh dekhtey rahey..." - yeh woh baat hai jo hamara moashra karta hai, aur waldein yeh nahin sun saktey. Woh ab yeh sun ker fakher mehsoos karein ge keh "....kitney ghairat'mand they apni beti maar di, apni izzat per harf nahin aaney diya...". Yeh buraee us samajh ki hai jis mein hamarey abao-ajdaad tarbiyaat paa kar nikley hain, aur ab hamarey liye misaal qaeem kar rahey hain. Hamara moashra khokhla aur jhoot per mabni hai. Bohat mumkin hai keh waldein ko khaber tak na ho keh unki aulad kya karti rahi hai, aur jab paani sar sey buland huwa to band baandhney lagey. Waldein ko aulad ki tarbiyyat hi kuchh aisi karna chahiye keh aulad waldein sey apni batein share karey aur waldein poochein. Dono aapis mein mil baith kar faesla kartey to achha hota.

Jis insaan ka imtihaan sab sey sakht ho ga woh, woh hai jisney apney musalmaan ka khoon kiya ho ga. Bhai ko sakht sey sakht saza deni chahiye keh yeh bohat bada mujrim hai.

Bad'nami to hai har haal mein. Lekin jaisa main ney pehley kaha, jahalat sey bharey huwey zehan is baap aur bhai ko GHAIRAT'MAND kahein ge, jab keh aqal rakhney waley inhein JAHIL aur BAD'BAKHT kahein ge. Lekin jo baat merey nazdeek is hadisey ki wajah bani hai, woh woh samaj hai jis mein yeh khandaan rehta hai. Yeh log us gaoun mein rahein ya copenhagen mein, yeh zehni tor per apni rasmon key maflooj hai aur kuchh aur nahin kar saktey, bas wohi jo woh jahil samaj inhein majboor karey ga. Bad'nami har haal mein hai.

Merey nazdeek is ka islam sey koi wasta nahin (haan jo baat Saima ney ki bohat sachi ki hai) lekin is ka link us tarbiyat sey hai jo hamarey moashrey mein ki jati hai. Ham log abhi jahalat sey nahin nikley, Islam ko to kisi tor per qabool kiya hi nahin. Hamarey ander abhi bhi ana'prasti hai, jo aisey hi khatam nahin ho sakti.

Chating key bohat sey nuqsaandeh asraat samney aaey hain, na siraf pakistani community mein balkey har community mein. Aisey waqeyaat sey bharey huwey hain.... Masla yeh hai keh log tanhaa hotey jaa rahey hain, aur sastee tafreeh key liye net per aa jatey hain. Bjaey is key keh yahan per achi achi batein phailaee jaein, kuchh log issey mis-use kartey hain, aur khasoosan mis-use larkiyon ko kiya jata hai. Meethey meethey alfaaz ka istimaal kar key apney liye hamdardiyaan khareedi jati hai, khud ko mazloom bnaa ker masoom zehno ko girvi rakha jata hai aur phir unhein nuqsaan pohnchaya jata hai.

[Spy009]

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Is waqeya key bohat sey aspects hain:

• kya woh larki apney haq per thi?
• kya waldein ko uski baat maan jana chahiye thi?
• kya bhai ka apni behan ko qatal karna banta hai?
• kya yeh qatal bad'nami sey bachney key kiya geya hai, ya is sey bad'nami mazeed phailti hai?
• Maghribi media har baat Islam sey mansalook karta hai, aap key nazdeek problem kahan hai?
• kya chating karni chahiyr? aur kya nobat yahan tak aani chahiye?
• yeh waqeya is baat ka saboot nahin keh larkiyon ko apni marzi sey apney mustaqbil ka koi bhi faesla karney ka haq nahin?

..... kuchh bhi ho, is waqeya ney aik baar phir hamara yahan is moashrey mein munh kala kar diya hai

Masood Sahab
Asslam Alaikum

Yeh mazmoon waqai afsosnaak hai uss ladki ke liye, jo iss duniya mein nahin hai. Aap ke iss mazmoon se unn logon ko sabaq mil sakta hai jo aaye din regular net pe chatting mein apna waqt sarf kartey hain.

Rah gayi baat aap ke sawalon ke
to main yeh kahta hoon ke chatting utna bura nahin, agar chat karney wala bashaour ho, aur iss tarah ki naubat naa aaney paaye.

Ladki apne haq pe thi, lekin usey jaldi nahin karna chahiye, walden ko waqt dena chahiye tha, Walden bachhon ke liye achha hi sochta hai, ho sakta ho ke walden ke nazar mein wo ladka thik naa laga ho, lekin iskey liye waqt dena padta hai, ladki ladka ko jaldi nahin karna chahiye tha, samjhaya ja sakta hai

Bhai ko kisi bhi tarah se yeh haq nahin hai ki bahan ko maarey, usse to saza milni chahiye, jo ek qaatil ko milta hai. Aslaha rakhna qanoonan jurm hai, jab tak hukumat rakhney ki ijaazat naa de, uss per to aur bhi crime act lagega. Bhai ko chahiye tha ke bahan ko pakad kar ghar laaye, samjhaye bujhaye.

Badnaam ki baat to ab hai, jab wo ladki marr gayi, yehi baat pehle samjhaya jaa sakta tha, kam az kam conservative mind nahin hona chahiye tha.

[khurram_shaikh]

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Assalaam o alekum,


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Muhabbat aik aisa jazbah hai jis per zaat paat, oonch neech, rang-o-nasal aur elaqey ki qaid nahin. Yeh jazbah dil ka dil sey, rooh ka rooh sey hai lehaza issey muqaddas hi rakha jaey. So us larki aur larkey ko pura haq tha. Lekin jo baat unho ney ghalat ki thi, woh ghar sey bhagney wali ki thi. Muhabbat ki qurbani dena aur aik bhatki hui larki ko apney paoun per kharra karna kisi kisi key bas mein hota hai . Woh dono na'samajh they aur ghalat raah per chal nikley
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sorry masood bhai main aapki iss baat se to qataee ittefaaq nahin kertaa ke mohabbat ek aisa jazbaa hai jiss per zaat paat ki koee qaid nahin . ager ek muslim larki kisi nonmuslim larki se shaadi karien to kyaa aap yaa main uss shaadi yaa mohabbat ko muqaddas kahiengey ???????

rahi baat iss haadse ki to main yeh nahin keh raha ke qasoor sirf kisi ek kaa hai haan yeh alag baat hai ke larki kaa qasoor zeyaadaa hai kyoon ke ussnien apnien waalidain ki naafermaani ki aur ghar se bhaagi,walidain se naafermaanikernaa humaare mazheb mien bahoot bara gunaah hai

main saima ki baatoon se kaafi hud tak agree hun saima nien kaafi soochi samjhi aur aqlmandoon waali baat kahi hai mujhe khushi hai ke saima ki itni achchi sooch hai

[*Hala*]

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kya woh larki apney haq per thi?




kya waldein ko uski baat maan jana chahiye thi?




kya bhai ka apni behan ko qatal karna banta hai?




kya yeh qatal bad'nami sey bachney key kiya geya hai, ya is sey bad'nami mazeed phailti hai?







kya chating karni chahiyr? aur kya nobat yahan tak aani chahiye?




yeh waqeya is baat ka saboot nahin keh larkiyon ko apni marzi sey apney mustaqbil ka koi bhi faesla karney ka haq nahin?



agar yee dono chat ky through mely ty agar onky ma bab raze hojaty or en sab talkhio kee nowbat nahee ateee to kia ap oos time bee yahee kahy ty ky

['SamRazi']

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Nice reply Spy :thmbup: Spy aur Hala aap ke bhi aur question bhi buhut sahi hai :phool: .....

main saima ki baatoon se kaafi hud tak agree hun saima nien kaafi soochi samjhi aur aqlmandoon waali baat kahi hai mujhe khushi hai ke saima ki itni achchi sooch hai

Thnx :ff:

[Masood]

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sorry masood bhai main aapki iss baat se to qataee ittefaaq nahin kertaa ke mohabbat ek aisa jazbaa hai jiss per zaat paat ki koee qaid nahin . ager ek muslim larki kisi nonmuslim larki se shaadi karien to kyaa aap yaa main uss shaadi yaa mohabbat ko muqaddas kahiengey ???????

Khurram pehli baat to yeh keh aik Muslim Mard aik non-muslim larki ko musalmaan bnaaey bghair apney paas rakh sakta hai to aik muslim-larki aik non-muslim larkey key saath kyun nahin rah sakti??? This is just a stupid question all the non-muslim would ask. Merey nazdeek yeh gunah hai - chahey aik muslim larka ya larki kisi non-muslim key saath bina muslim huwey rahey. Agar aik muslim larki ko kisi non-muslim larkey sey muhabbat ho hi gaee hai to woh koshish karey ussey pehley muslim karney ki jaise muslim larkey kartey hain. Agar koi mazhabi hadood ko phalangta hai to jurm usi key sar jata hai, magar still muhabbat kisi zaat paat oonch neech ki paband nahin :)

[*Hala*]

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Nice reply Spy :thmbup: Spy aur Hala aap ke bhi aur question bhi buhut sahi hai :phool: .....




Thnx :ff:

thanks dear for liking .....:phool:

[shy]

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:tauba

[Aania]

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merey se abhi itni reading nahen ho rahi


baad main parrh ke jawab doon gi


:)

['SamRazi']

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Khurram pehli baat to yeh keh aik Muslim Mard aik non-muslim larki ko musalmaan bnaaey bghair apney paas rakh sakta hai to aik muslim-larki aik non-muslim larkey key saath kyun nahin rah sakti??? This is just a stupid question all the non-muslim would ask. Merey nazdeek yeh gunah hai - chahey aik muslim larka ya larki kisi non-muslim key saath bina muslim huwey rahey. Agar aik muslim larki ko kisi non-muslim larkey sey muhabbat ho hi gaee hai to woh koshish karey ussey pehley muslim karney ki jaise muslim larkey kartey hain. Agar koi mazhabi hadood ko phalangta hai to jurm usi key sar jata hai, magar still muhabbat kisi zaat paat oonch neech ki paband nahin :)

Masood ........... :fuming:

Aap aisa kaisey soch saktey ho..... non-muslim kaisa sochtey hain wo gayeh bhar main :hathora ........ aisi ristrictions huamrey mazhab main hain, aur kiu hain yeh koi bhi muslim samajh sakta hai ........ aap ko to

Ek muslim mard ek non-muslim se shadi ker sakta hai magar ek muslim aurat non-muslim mard se nahi ....kiu ???
To is ka jawab buhut seedha saaf mard aur aurat ki takhleeq main hi hai. Mard her haal main aurat se superior raha hai, yeh ous ki fitrat main hai. Jab ek muslim mard ek non-muslim lerki se shadi karey ga to ousey islam ki tarqeeb dai ga majboor nahi karey ga, kiu k humarey mazhab main kisi ko dosra mazhab ikhtiyar kerne per majboor kerne ki ijazat nahi. Magar dosri taraf jab ek non-muslim lerka ek muslim lerki se shadi karey ga to yaqinan ousey convert honey per majboor karey ga. Is tara se is rishtey main aur bhi complications ho gi.

[Masood]

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Masood ........... :fuming:

Aap aisa kaisey soch saktey ho..... non-muslim kaisa sochtey hain wo gayeh bhar main :hathora ........ aisi ristrictions huamrey mazhab main hain, aur kiu hain yeh koi bhi muslim samajh sakta hai ........ aap ko to

Ek muslim mard ek non-muslim se shadi ker sakta hai magar ek muslim aurat non-muslim mard se nahi ....kiu ???
To is ka jawab buhut seedha saaf mard aur aurat ki takhleeq main hi hai. Mard her haal main aurat se superior raha hai, yeh ous ki fitrat main hai. Jab ek muslim mard ek non-muslim lerki se shadi karey ga to ousey islam ki tarqeeb dai ga majboor nahi karey ga, kiu k humarey mazhab main kisi ko dosra mazhab ikhtiyar kerne per majboor kerne ki ijazat nahi. Magar dosri taraf jab ek non-muslim lerka ek muslim lerki se shadi karey ga to yaqinan ousey convert honey per majboor karey ga. Is tara se is rishtey main aur bhi complications ho gi.

Main aisa nahin soch raha Saima balkey main aik general commen sense ki baat kar raha hoon. Mujhey bhi maloom hai keh keh aik muslim mard AHL-E-KITAAB ki khawateen sey shadi kar sakta hai (ahl-e-kitaab sey murad woh qomein jin per Allah ki kitab nazil hui, yani eesaee aur yahoodi). Lekin is ka bhi behtreen amal yehi hai keh ussey pehley halqah-e-islam mein dakhil ho jaey. LEKIN KISI KO ISLAM MEIN MEHAZ IS LIYE SHAMIL KARNA KEH US SEY SHADI HO SAKEY, YEH GHALAT HAI.

Yahan per baat MUHABBAT ki hui hai, muhabbat aik muslim larki bhi kisi non-muslim sey kar sakti hai kyun keh yeh dil ki baat hoti hai. Baat yeh hai keh kon muslim larki apni restriction ko cross kar kerti hai yeh us per hai. Agar koi samjhi suljhi ho gi to woh apni restrictions ko cross nahin karey gi.

Hamarey samney kaee misalein mojood hain keh Hindustand mein muslim larkiyon ko hindu-larkon sey biyaha jaa raha hai. Mujhey maloom nahin is baat mein kitni sadaqat hai, magar kehtey hain keh Farooq Abdullah (Governer of Kashmir) ki beti ki shadi aik hindu larkey sey hui.

[khan]

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AOA,

Janaab aap ki baat baja hai ye nain hona chaye lakin kia ho sakta hai badkismati se hamara ilaka jo hai wo aye din ahsi bataoon se larzta rahta hai N.W.F.P main ahsa hota hai to larrke k ghar wale ya larrki k ghar wale donoon k liye wo ussi waqt mar jate hain jo ghar se baagte hain yahan khud ko phansi pe charhana fakhar ki baat samji jati hai uss ki nisbaat k tumhari bati ya baite nain ghar se baag k shadi kar li ye baat aap ko main iss liye tafseel se bata raha hoon k main khud b uss ka hisa hoon Allah na kare Allah na kare Allah na kare agar ahsa ho to main b wo hi kar guzroon ga agar ahsa na kia to apne aap ko iss jahane fani se azaad kar doon ga ye jante hoye b k ye amar ghalat hai haraam hai lakin apni rawayaat ko pase posht nain daal sakte hamare liye ye beizaati ki baat hai aur iss se moot ko hum tarji dain ge aj kal ye hi bahais chal rahyi hai k ghairat k naam par qatal?lakin yahan iss cheez ko N.W.F.P main khatam nain kia ja sakta jab tak yahan k awaam hain ab aap khud andaza laga lain k main khud ahsi baat kar raha hoon aur ikraar kar raha hoon wo pathan ho sayed ho abbasi ho ya koi b ho wo mohke ki talaash main ho ga aur iss kam ko fakhar se kare ga 10% ahse hoon ge jo ye kaam na karaon 10%ahse hoon ge jo iss ko bora kahain 80% ahse hain jo qatal k haq main hain aap khud daikhain k N.W.F.P aik soba hai aur sobe k 80% jis baat pe arRe hoon wahan sirf hum soch hi sakte hain agar meri baat kisi ko bori lagi ho to mahzarat khawa hoon main nain sirf yahan ki haqeeqat biyaan ki hai aap ka bohat bohat shukria.



Sohail Abbasi.