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  • #16
    Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

    Originally posted by zapk7 View Post
    The Kalabagh dam is a mega water reservoir that Government of Pakistan planning to develop across the Indus River, one of the world's largest rivers. The proposed site for the dam is situated at Kalabagh in Mianwali District of the north-west Punjab province, bordering NWFP.
    The dam project is a highly controversial and has been so since its inception. In December 2005, General Pervez Musharraf, who became the President of Pakistan after a 1999 coup, announced that he would definitely build the dam in the larger interest of Pakistan
    History

    The region of Kalabagh was once an autonomous jagir (feudal estate) within Punjab. It was annexed by the Sikhs in 1822. After the British annexed the Punjab, the Nawab of Kalabagh was granted the jagir of Kalabagh, in recognition of his services to the British Raj.
    According to the PC-II of the Project, Kala Bagh dam was initiated by GOP in 1953, and until 1973, the project was basically considered as a storage project for meeting the irrigation needs, and consequently, rapid increases in the cost of energy have greatly enhanced the priority of the dam as a power project.
    The project's paperwork was finalized in March, 1984, with the assistance of the United Nations Development Programme; supervised by the World Bank, for the client Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA) of Pakistan.

    Controversy

    The proposed construction of the Kalabagh Dam triggered an extremely bitter controversy among the four provinces of Pakistan, namely Punjab, Sindh, North-West Frontier Province, and Balochistan. The only province which is in favor of this dam, is Punjab that is the most strong among all four provinces, as usually the government is mainly centralized in it. The other three provinces have expressed extreme dissatisfaction, going so far as to have their provincial assemblies pass unanimous resolutions condemning the proposed dam. Hence, the project is still under consideration.
    The delay is also being caused by the fact that according to international water distribution law, the tailender has a legal and natural right on river and that is why no mega construction or reservoir can be built without permission and endorsement of the tailender i.e. Sindh. In the case where the tailender is not using water i.e. building a water reservoir, a reservoir can be made upstream.
    Impact assessments of the proposed dam have shown that while it will provide storage and electricity, the dam will also have adverse impacts on the environment, as can be expected from any large dam. It will also displace a large number of people. While proponents point to the benefits, the adverse factors have been played up by the opponents of the dam. As a result, the dam has been stalled by claims and counterclaims since 1984.
    The controversy can be best understood by looking at the viewpoints of each of the four provinces.

    Punjab viewpointArabian Sea is considered a "waste" in Punjab, which feels that water can be used to irrigate Pakistani infertile lands.
    Punjab wants not just Kalabagh, but also two more large dams on the Indus, at Bhasha and Skardu/Katzarah. It feels that the Kalabagh site is the most favourable, compared to the other two, and that it should be built first.

    Sindh viewpoint

    Sindh, the first province to point KBD project a blame game, is the lower riparian and strongest opponent of KBD. But its case mainly against Punjab is more on a conceptual basis of what Sindh thought to be "theft of water by Punjab" rather than locating an actual incident of theft. Sindh supports its argument by stating that by virtue of its name and history of water rights of the province, Indus River belongs exclusively to Sindh. Therefore, claiming the construction of dams, Tarbela and Mangla and now KBD actions of theft of water at the irrigation cost of Sindh. Further, Sindh presents many objections against the proposed dam, some of these objections are as follows:
    • Sindh objects that their share of the Indus water will be curtailed as water from the Kalabagh will go to irrigate farmlands in Punjab and NWFP, at their cost. Sindhis hold that their rights as the lower riparian have precedence according to international water distribution law.
    • The coastal regions of Sindh require a constant flow of water down the Indus into the Arabian Sea so that the flowing water can keep the seawater from intruding inland. Such seawater intrusion would literally turn vast areas of Sindh's coast into an arid saline desert, and destroy Sindh's coastal mangroves.
    • With the construction of dams, such as Mangla Dam and Tarbela Dam across the Indus, Sindhis have seen the once-mighty Indus turned into a shadow of its former glory downstream of the Kotri Barrage up to Hyderabad. They fear that there simply is not enough water for another large dam across the Indus, let alone three.
    • The Kalabagh site is located in a highly seismic zone near an active fault, and the underlying rocks are likely to contain numerous fractures, causing the reservoir water to seep through the catacomb of fractures and discharge at the lowest point around the reservoir and the Indus river. [1]
    • Damming the Indus has already caused a number of environmental problems that have not yet addressed. Silt deposited in the proposed Kalabagh dam would further curtail the water storage capacity of Manchar Lake and other lakes and of wetlands like Haleji Lake.
    • President General Musharraf and other leaders, such as Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, have promised 'iron-clad' constitutional guarantees to ensure that Sindh gets its fair share of water. However, these assurances mean little to most Sindhis, who point out that even the earlier 1991 Indus Water-Sharing Accord, which is a document already guaranteed by the constitutional body, the Council of Common Interests, has been violated, and that Punjab has "stolen" their water.
    The objection to Kalabagh in Sindh is widespread. Even political parties of Sindh that are in the central cabinet and are supported by General Musharraf, such as the MQM, have strongly denounced the dam.

    NWFP viewpoint

    The NWFP has two main objections to the dam.
    • While the reservoir will be in the NWFP, the dam's electricity-generating turbines will be just across the provincial border in Punjab. Therefore, Punjab would get royalties from the central government in Islamabad for generating electricity. Contrary to this, however, Punjab has agreed not to accept any royalties from the Kalabagh Dam. The fact that the NWFP will suffer the adverse consequences of the reservoir but not get royalties is seen as unfair.
    • Concerns that large areas of Nowshera district would be submerged by the dam and even wider areas would suffer from waterlogging and salinity as has occurred with the Tarbela Dam.
    Balochistan viewpoint

    The Baloch are not directly affected by the dam as such. Rather, most nationalist Baloch Sardars see the dam as another instance of Punjab lording it over the smaller provinces. By opposing the dam they are signalling their disaffection with being the poorest province and most neglegted of all in development. In reality Balochistan can only get more water and its due share after the construction of Kalabagh dam and Kachhi canal.
    sindh veiw pointyaar ager punjab waley pani sey bijli bana laeen gay to pani ki asal takat khatam ho jaey gi , and hamaray pass bagaer takat ka pani ayeh gahow shameful
    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

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    • #17
      Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

      Originally posted by filbahere View Post
      sindh veiw pointyaar ager punjab waley pani sey bijli bana laeen gay to pani ki asal takat khatam ho jaey gi , and hamaray pass bagaer takat ka pani ayeh gahow shameful
      begher taqat ka pani means?:budhu:

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      • #18
        Re: MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

        Originally posted by zapk7 View Post
        Mairi moderators se guzarish hai ke is post ko delete kar diya jaye main ne pahlay hi yeh condition laga di thi ke befaids air ghair mutaalqa posts delete kar di jain gai.taake topic per serious discussion ho sakay.Yahan main koi voting nahin karwa rahi hoon,aik serious issue per ba ma'ani discussion karwa rahi hoon.
        Ahaan sis.....calm down:)
        mayb he has been tired of listening to these discussions.....abt that dam as u know previous days all the news n views were on that....so mayb he has become tired:)
        dont loose heart
        u ve provided nicooo detailed info.....
        after being free 4m the bundles of tasks i wud surely discuss it among u:insha:

        so just calm down:)

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        • #19
          Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

          Originally posted by filbahere View Post
          sindh veiw pointyaar ager punjab waley pani sey bijli bana laeen gay to pani ki asal takat khatam ho jaey gi , and hamaray pass bagaer takat ka pani ayeh gahow shameful
          Baghair taqat ka pani:kr: :kr:
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          • #20
            Re: MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

            Originally posted by Me Here View Post
            Ahaan sis.....calm down:)
            mayb he has been tired of listening to these discussions.....abt that dam as u know previous days all the news n views were on that....so mayb he has become tired:)
            dont loose heart
            u ve provided nicooo detailed info.....
            after being free 4m the bundles of tasks i wud surely discuss it among u:insha:

            so just calm down:)
            :mm: OK dear:thmbup:
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            • #21
              Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

              Originally posted by zapk7 View Post
              Baghair taqat ka pani:kr: :kr:
              app ney lagta hay un waderon key interviews tv per naeen sunay
              aj sey kafi arsa pehlay
              tv per sindhi Qoom perast waderon ka interveiw hoa tha and un sey yah sawal pocha gia tha key app kala bagh dam keeon baneen naeen detay
              he replied
              wo log pani sey bijli bana ker sari takat nikal laeen gay and hamary pass ko bagaer takat ka pani ayeh ga
              compare ney pocha tha , kia matlab
              to us ney bataya tha key jis tarah
              dohd sey makhan aur malai ager nikal li jaey to wo bagaer takat ka rah jata hay is tarah pani sey ager bijli bana li jaey to us main takat naeen rehti
              and faslen acchi naeen hoten

              :D:D:D
              People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

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              • #22
                Re: MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

                :d:d

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                • #23
                  Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

                  Originally posted by filbahere View Post
                  app ney lagta hay un waderon key interviews tv per naeen sunay
                  aj sey kafi arsa pehlay
                  tv per sindhi Qoom perast waderon ka interveiw hoa tha and un sey yah sawal pocha gia tha key app kala bagh dam keeon baneen naeen detay
                  he replied
                  wo log pani sey bijli bana ker sari takat nikal laeen gay and hamary pass ko bagaer takat ka pani ayeh ga
                  compare ney pocha tha , kia matlab
                  to us ney bataya tha key jis tarah
                  dohd sey makhan aur malai ager nikal li jaey to wo bagaer takat ka rah jata hay is tarah pani sey ager bijli bana li jaey to us main takat naeen rehti
                  and faslen acchi naeen hoten

                  :D:D:D
                  Sorry main is baat per hans pari,yeh to ronay ka muqam hai ke hamaray leader itnay illetereate hain.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

                    Originally posted by zapk7 View Post
                    Sorry main is baat per hans pari,yeh to ronay ka muqam hai ke hamaray leader itnay illetereate hain.
                    :kr:

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                    • #25
                      Re: MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

                      Originally posted by zapk7 View Post
                      :mm: OK dear:thmbup:

                      Thx 4 ur concern:)
                      or aj :insha: hum ise zaror discuss kerin ge:)

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                      • #26
                        Re: MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

                        Well sis apk is thread n info per sabse pehle u ko WELDONE!:clap:

                        Kala Baagh Dam.........
                        well ager banaya jae to Pakistan k dams mai izafa ho ga or jab hmare pas resources hain to unko allocate bhi kerna chahye......ye main 3 yrs se study ker rahi hoon.,....RESOURCE ALLOCATION...!

                        Well sis.....ye jo provinces ka protest hai (except PUNJAB) ye to ghalt hai q k jo bhi hai PUNJAB hai to PAKISTAN hi ka hissa na?
                        so we must think abt the whole Pakistan'z success n not only abt PROVINCE's success.......ye na ittifaaqi hai jo k end mai kise ko kuch nahi deti......

                        ager hamare paas resources hain,jo k surely hain to phir unko best way mai work out ker k better possible output bhi humin leeni chahye or ager hum nahi lety to ye ghalat hai.........hamari apni ghalti

                        zahir hai pani se bijli peda ki jae gi to it wud b easy to supply electricity all over the Pakistan or ik bat or bataon apko k MUREE jo k ik hilly area hai wahan kuch yrs pehle electricity nahi thi per ye current info hai k wahan :alhamd: ab electricity hai.........:)

                        per obviously abhi bhi kuch areas hain jahan electricity nahi
                        DAM ban'ne se country k infrastructure mai hi izafa ho ga to humin zaroor dam banana chahye:)

                        well sis i wud like to say sorry 4 my late reply per aj kal dayz zara balkey kaafi bussy hain with respect to studies so sorry again

                        koi point poochna ho to moost welcome me here always:)
                        KHUSH RAHYYE
                        WASALAM!:salam:

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                        • #27
                          Re: MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

                          Originally posted by Me Here View Post
                          Well sis apk is thread n info per sabse pehle u ko WELDONE!:clap:

                          Kala Baagh Dam.........
                          well ager banaya jae to Pakistan k dams mai izafa ho ga or jab hmare pas resources hain to unko allocate bhi kerna chahye......ye main 3 yrs se study ker rahi hoon.,....RESOURCE ALLOCATION...!

                          Well sis.....ye jo provinces ka protest hai (except PUNJAB) ye to ghalt hai q k jo bhi hai PUNJAB hai to PAKISTAN hi ka hissa na?
                          so we must think abt the whole Pakistan'z success n not only abt PROVINCE's success.......ye na ittifaaqi hai jo k end mai kise ko kuch nahi deti......

                          ager hamare paas resources hain,jo k surely hain to phir unko best way mai work out ker k better possible output bhi humin leeni chahye or ager hum nahi lety to ye ghalat hai.........hamari apni ghalti

                          zahir hai pani se bijli peda ki jae gi to it wud b easy to supply electricity all over the Pakistan or ik bat or bataon apko k MUREE jo k ik hilly area hai wahan kuch yrs pehle electricity nahi thi per ye current info hai k wahan :alhamd: ab electricity hai.........:)

                          per obviously abhi bhi kuch areas hain jahan electricity nahi
                          DAM ban'ne se country k infrastructure mai hi izafa ho ga to humin zaroor dam banana chahye:)

                          well sis i wud like to say sorry 4 my late reply per aj kal dayz zara balkey kaafi bussy hain with respect to studies so sorry again

                          koi point poochna ho to moost welcome me here always:)
                          KHUSH RAHYYE
                          WASALAM!:salam:
                          تھریڈ پسند کرنے کا شکریہ!میں آپ سے ریسورس ایلوکیشن کے بارے میں معلومات ضرور لوں گی بلکہ اگر آپ اس پر تھریڈ سٹارٹ کریں تو اچھا رہے گا۔ باقی آپ کی پوسٹ کا شکریہ۔اگرچہ یہاں زیادہ لوگوں نے حصہ نہیں لیا لیکن پھر بھی مجھے اﹸمید ہے کہ زیادہ تر لوگ خاص طور پر نوجوان نسل اس معاملے کی اہمیت سمجھتی ہے سو ہم بہتری کی اﹸمید رکھ سکتے ہیں۔
                          Last edited by zapk; 4 April 2007, 20:45.
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