MUBAHISA: Kala Bagh Dam???

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"Kala Bagh Dam bannay tak udhar band hai."
Yeh us dukan par likha tha jahan kal main aur mairi colleague college ke liyay chand kitabain khareednay gai thein.Mairi colleague ne isay as a joke liya aur kaha"Kiya kala bagh dam bannay ke baad aap udhar daina shuru kar dain gay."Dukandaar serious ho gaya aur kahnay laga,"Jis din kala bagh dam ban gaya us din qoum itni khush haal ho jai gi ke kisi ko udhar lainay ki zaroorat hi nahin paray gi."

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Shukriya

[sarfraz_qamar]

Re: Kala Bagh Dam???

kala bagh dam kabb banee ga?
yehh woohh sawal hayy jiss kaa jawab shayad hee kisee kee pass hoo aaj kall kee hamaray politicians kala bagh dam perr siasat to kerr saktay hain magar iss koo banwanaayy kee jabb bheee koii baat hoo gee too sabb hee mukhalifat karain gee
mereee samjh main yehh baat nahee aatee jabb eikk Political Party jo apnay door e hakoomat main kala bagh damm kee tammeer kee baree main buland o bang daway kartee haii magar jabb woh opposition main hotee haii to wahee jamatt iss kee sabb see baree mukhalif hotee haii
aisaa kunn hayy ?

[Z.]

[zapk]

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kala bagh dam kabb banee ga?
yehh woohh sawal hayy jiss kaa jawab shayad hee kisee kee pass hoo aaj kall kee hamaray politicians kala bagh dam perr siasat to kerr saktay hain magar iss koo banwanaayy kee jabb bheee koii baat hoo gee too sabb hee mukhalifat karain gee
mereee samjh main yehh baat nahee aatee jabb eikk Political Party jo apnay door e hakoomat main kala bagh damm kee tammeer kee baree main buland o bang daway kartee haii magar jabb woh opposition main hotee haii to wahee jamatt iss kee sabb see baree mukhalif hotee haii
aisaa kunn hayy ?

Sarfaraz bhai aapki post ka shukriya laikin main ne is hawalay se kisi siyasi jamaat ki soch ki nahin balke aapki zaati soch ki baat ki thi ke aap ke mutabiq kala bagh dam hamaray liyay zaroori hai ya nahin?dalail se wazah karain.

[zapk]

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Je haan main technical point hi chahti hoon.Aap ke mufasil jawab ka intizaar rahay ga.:rose

[sarfraz_qamar]

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Sarfaraz bhai aapki post ka shukriya laikin main ne is hawalay se kisi siyasi jamaat ki soch ki nahin balke aapki zaati soch ki baat ki thi ke aap ke mutabiq kala bagh dam hamaray liyay zaroori hai ya nahin?dalail se wazah karain.

janab sabb jahan tak meree apnee sooch kaa talqq haii to shayad hee koii pakistani aisaa hoo jo iss Dam kee bananay keyy haqq mainn naa hoo mian samjhtaa hoo kehh pakisatn kee liey iss Dam kaa banana behad zarooree haii
jahan takk dalail kaa talq haii to sabb see baree daleel yehee haii keh pakistan eik Zaree mulk haii aorr iss kee liey panee kee sab see ziada zaroorat haii agar aaj hamm nayy kalal bagh dam bananay kee baree main naa soocha to future main Allah naa karay hamaraa hall Aithopia jaisaa hoo
aorr jahan takk main neyy baatt political parties kee kee thee too janab iss Dam koo bananaa bhee unhoon neyy hee haii naa kehh hamm nayyy

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The Kalabagh dam is a mega water reservoir that Government of Pakistan planning to develop across the Indus River, one of the world's largest rivers. The proposed site for the dam is situated at Kalabagh in Mianwali District of the north-west Punjab province, bordering NWFP.
The dam project is a highly controversial and has been so since its inception. In December 2005, General Pervez Musharraf, who became the President of Pakistan after a 1999 coup, announced that he would definitely build the dam in the larger interest of Pakistan
History

The region of Kalabagh was once an autonomous jagir (feudal estate) within Punjab. It was annexed by the Sikhs in 1822. After the British annexed the Punjab, the Nawab of Kalabagh was granted the jagir of Kalabagh, in recognition of his services to the British Raj.
According to the PC-II of the Project, Kala Bagh dam was initiated by GOP in 1953, and until 1973, the project was basically considered as a storage project for meeting the irrigation needs, and consequently, rapid increases in the cost of energy have greatly enhanced the priority of the dam as a power project.
The project's paperwork was finalized in March, 1984, with the assistance of the United Nations Development Programme; supervised by the World Bank, for the client Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA) of Pakistan.

Controversy

The proposed construction of the Kalabagh Dam triggered an extremely bitter controversy among the four provinces of Pakistan, namely Punjab, Sindh, North-West Frontier Province, and Balochistan. The only province which is in favor of this dam, is Punjab that is the most strong among all four provinces, as usually the government is mainly centralized in it. The other three provinces have expressed extreme dissatisfaction, going so far as to have their provincial assemblies pass unanimous resolutions condemning the proposed dam. Hence, the project is still under consideration.
The delay is also being caused by the fact that according to international water distribution law, the tailender has a legal and natural right on river and that is why no mega construction or reservoir can be built without permission and endorsement of the tailender i.e. Sindh. In the case where the tailender is not using water i.e. building a water reservoir, a reservoir can be made upstream.
Impact assessments of the proposed dam have shown that while it will provide storage and electricity, the dam will also have adverse impacts on the environment, as can be expected from any large dam. It will also displace a large number of people. While proponents point to the benefits, the adverse factors have been played up by the opponents of the dam. As a result, the dam has been stalled by claims and counterclaims since 1984.
The controversy can be best understood by looking at the viewpoints of each of the four provinces.

Punjab viewpointArabian Sea is considered a "waste" in Punjab, which feels that water can be used to irrigate Pakistani infertile lands.
Punjab wants not just Kalabagh, but also two more large dams on the Indus, at Bhasha and Skardu/Katzarah. It feels that the Kalabagh site is the most favourable, compared to the other two, and that it should be built first.

Sindh viewpoint

Sindh, the first province to point KBD project a blame game, is the lower riparian and strongest opponent of KBD. But its case mainly against Punjab is more on a conceptual basis of what Sindh thought to be "theft of water by Punjab" rather than locating an actual incident of theft. Sindh supports its argument by stating that by virtue of its name and history of water rights of the province, Indus River belongs exclusively to Sindh. Therefore, claiming the construction of dams, Tarbela and Mangla and now KBD actions of theft of water at the irrigation cost of Sindh. Further, Sindh presents many objections against the proposed dam, some of these objections are as follows:

• Sindh objects that their share of the Indus water will be curtailed as water from the Kalabagh will go to irrigate farmlands in Punjab and NWFP, at their cost. Sindhis hold that their rights as the lower riparian have precedence according to international water distribution law.

• The coastal regions of Sindh require a constant flow of water down the Indus into the Arabian Sea so that the flowing water can keep the seawater from intruding inland. Such seawater intrusion would literally turn vast areas of Sindh's coast into an arid saline desert, and destroy Sindh's coastal mangroves.

• With the construction of dams, such as Mangla Dam and Tarbela Dam across the Indus, Sindhis have seen the once-mighty Indus turned into a shadow of its former glory downstream of the Kotri Barrage up to Hyderabad. They fear that there simply is not enough water for another large dam across the Indus, let alone three.

• The Kalabagh site is located in a highly seismic zone near an active fault, and the underlying rocks are likely to contain numerous fractures, causing the reservoir water to seep through the catacomb of fractures and discharge at the lowest point around the reservoir and the Indus river. [1]

• Damming the Indus has already caused a number of environmental problems that have not yet addressed. Silt deposited in the proposed Kalabagh dam would further curtail the water storage capacity of Manchar Lake and other lakes and of wetlands like Haleji Lake.

• President General Musharraf and other leaders, such as Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, have promised 'iron-clad' constitutional guarantees to ensure that Sindh gets its fair share of water. However, these assurances mean little to most Sindhis, who point out that even the earlier 1991 Indus Water-Sharing Accord, which is a document already guaranteed by the constitutional body, the Council of Common Interests, has been violated, and that Punjab has "stolen" their water.

The objection to Kalabagh in Sindh is widespread. Even political parties of Sindh that are in the central cabinet and are supported by General Musharraf, such as the MQM, have strongly denounced the dam.

NWFP viewpoint

The NWFP has two main objections to the dam.

• While the reservoir will be in the NWFP, the dam's electricity-generating turbines will be just across the provincial border in Punjab. Therefore, Punjab would get royalties from the central government in Islamabad for generating electricity. Contrary to this, however, Punjab has agreed not to accept any royalties from the Kalabagh Dam. The fact that the NWFP will suffer the adverse consequences of the reservoir but not get royalties is seen as unfair.

• Concerns that large areas of Nowshera district would be submerged by the dam and even wider areas would suffer from waterlogging and salinity as has occurred with the Tarbela Dam.

Balochistan viewpoint

The Baloch are not directly affected by the dam as such. Rather, most nationalist Baloch Sardars see the dam as another instance of Punjab lording it over the smaller provinces. By opposing the dam they are signalling their disaffection with being the poorest province and most neglegted of all in development. In reality Balochistan can only get more water and its due share after the construction of Kalabagh dam and Kachhi canal.

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The Common Man's Viewpoint

Majority of people of Pakistan are against the onstruction Kalabagh dam, as its construction can prove a danger to sustain the unification of provinces under the name 'Pakistan'. The only people who want the construction of Kalabagh dam can be classified into two groups: The first is the high ranked officers of Pakistan army, who will be granted farmlands to be irrigated by Kalabagh dam after the retirements (in fact these are the most powerful supporters of dam). The second group is the political leaders of Punjab; since the issue has turned out be a war between Sindh and Punjab, so by favouring the construction of Dam, Punjabi politicians can maintain their vote-bank. The only reason why President Pervaiz Musharaf favours Kalabhgh dam is because he needs the support of Punjab to sustain his dictatorship in the country. All the 'oppressed' provinces (Sindh, NWFP and Balochistan) of the country has already expressed a huge concern over the construction of dam, specially in Sindh where every single street has observed the protest against the dam. The people of these oppressed provinces do not believe in any guarantee from 'Punjabized' Pakistani government as it has already done many decision against the constitution/treaties, for example, the regulation of water in Chashma-Jehlem link canal.

Analysis

Most independent analysts believe that the foremost problem with the proposed dam at Kalabagh is one of a trust deficit between the Punjab on one side and the other three provinces on the other. The noted columnist, Ayaz Amir suggested that the people of Punjab should redefine their assumptions about the rest of Pakistan and distribution of resources. A layman of Punjab does not understand why the rest of Pakistan does not trust Punjab. The answer, according to Amir, lies in the frequent coups staged by the Pakistan Army (which is overwhelmingly Punjabi in its composition), as well as the Army's extra-constitutional intervention and influence in public sector and civil institutions of the country in general and Sindh in particular. Now no province is ready to trust the Punjab.
All Pakistanis agree that Pakistan faces a severe water shortage, and that some form of water management must be implemented soon. Many point out that even if work on Kalabagh were to start tomorrow, it would still take at least eight years to complete and commission such a large dam. In the meantime, the water situation would continue to worsen. Smaller dams, barrages, and canals must be built before that, and water conservation techniques introduced.
The WAPDA [2] for years repeatedly changed its statistics on the dam, to the point where no-one in Pakistan now believes any of its figures. Government of Pakistan formed a technical committee, headed by A. N. G. Abbasi, to study the technical merits of the Kalabagh dam vis-a-vis the other two. The four-volume technical report concluded that Bhasha or Katzarah dam should be built before Kalabagh, further complicating matters. To make matters even more complex, the report also stated that Kalabagh and Bhasha Dams could be considered feasible
The abrupt way in which President General Musharraf announced the decision to build the dam, simply overruling the objections of the smaller states, has sharply polarised public opinion. In Punjab the view is one of "...its high time!" while in the other states, especially Sindh, the reaction has been one of "...over my dead body!".
The fact that the General literally dragged so controversial an issue off the backburner and thrust it into national centre stage without considering the predictable reactions from the smaller provinces has left many aghast. Much has been said in the press, and the issue is still far from being resolved.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalabagh_Dam

[Shaim]

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zap MASHALLAH u r going good in discussion!:thmbup:
keep it up ALL ov u
i ll catch u soon INSHALLAH

KHUSH RAHYYE ALL:)
WASALAM!

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janab sabb jahan tak meree apnee sooch kaa talqq haii to shayad hee koii pakistani aisaa hoo jo iss Dam kee bananay keyy haqq mainn naa hoo mian samjhtaa hoo kehh pakisatn kee liey iss Dam kaa banana behad zarooree haii
jahan takk dalail kaa talq haii to sabb see baree daleel yehee haii keh pakistan eik Zaree mulk haii aorr iss kee liey panee kee sab see ziada zaroorat haii agar aaj hamm nayy kalal bagh dam bananay kee baree main naa soocha to future main Allah naa karay hamaraa hall Aithopia jaisaa hoo
aorr jahan takk main neyy baatt political parties kee kee thee too janab iss Dam koo bananaa bhee unhoon neyy hee haii naa kehh hamm nayyy

Thanks for your comments:rose

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zap MASHALLAH u r going good in discussion!:thmbup:
keep it up ALL ov u
i ll catch u soon INSHALLAH

KHUSH RAHYYE ALL:)
WASALAM!

I'll wait for your detailed post.:rose

[tauseeftariq]

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1. kala bag dam banana chahiye.. aur zaroor banana chahiye...
2. Agher tarqi kerni hai tu KB lazmi hai ..
3. jo leader as ke mukhalfat kerty hain .. woh sirf apni siyasat chamkaty hain..
4. KBD sirf aur sirf Mushraf banwa sakty hain .. coz aur kisi leader main itni himaat nhain.... key woh apni vote chood key KBD banway..

[Soulmate]

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1. kala bag dam banana chahiye.. aur zaroor banana chahiye...
2. Agher tarqi kerni hai tu KB lazmi hai ..
3. jo leader as ke mukhalfat kerty hain .. woh sirf apni siyasat chamkaty hain..
4. KBD sirf aur sirf Mushraf banwa sakty hain .. coz aur kisi leader main itni himaat nhain.... key woh apni vote chood key KBD banway..

Thanks for yout comments:salam:

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