MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

[Mr. Sialkoty]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

Abdul wahab and The Mask seem to be logical at their point. Khalil as usual beating about the bushes :hehe: ho sakta he ke wo bhi apnay point pe sahi ho, lekin wo apna nukta-e-nazar sahi se wazeh kerne mein kaamyab nahi ho saka.

But still i have not studied the material by Javed Ahmad Ghamdi, inshallah jald he perh ke apni aarah pesh karon ga :)

[zapk]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

Yahan saari baat yeh ho rahi hai ke aql ko deen ke mutabiq hona chahiyay ya deen ko aql ke mutabiq?
Daikhiyay deen ko aql ke mutabiq morna to kisi bhi halat main darust nahin hai,aur main ne kal jo ghamidi sahib ka programme daikha hai us main unhon ne bhi aisi kisi baat ko promote nahin kiya.
Asl cheez yeh hai ke aql ka istaimaal kahan hona chahiyay,aur yeh istaimaal deen ko samajhnay main hona chahiyay.
Ghamidi sahib ke baqoul fuqaha jab aisa kartay hain to yeh ho sakta hai ke un main ikhtilaf ho,ab ya to ham khud tahqeeq karain ya jo tahqeeqat ho chuki hain un main se kisi se ittefaq karain.
Maira khiyal hai is main koi aisi buri baat nahin hai.Main mask ki is baat se bhi ittefaq kart hoon ke faisla karnay se pahlay hamain sab muhaqiqeen ka muta'ala karna chahiyay.
Maira ikhtilaaf yeh hai ke tahqeeq ka rasta rokna ghalat hai aur lafz "Fitna" ka istaimal kisi bhi muhaqiq ke liyay nahin hona chahiyay.
Is se qabl islamic history main jitnay logon ko fitna kaha gaya dar asl general muslims ke paas inke dalil ka koi jawab nahin tha lihaza unhain "fitna" keh kar qatl ke fatway laga diyay gaye.
Main sirf yeh kahna chahti hoon ke ikhtalaf ko bardasht karna seekhain,ikhtalaf ko rahmat yunhi nahin kaha gaya hai,is se deen ke naye angles wazah hotay hain,jo is se qabl numayan na ho sakay.

[tauruskhan]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

For everyone

Shenshay Hind AKbar ney apney namm nehad ulma ki rahey sey islam ko tarak ker key Deen elahi ejad kia tha
same isi tarah pakistan key shenshay Pak Pervaiz Musharaf ney Ghamdi jesay self proclaimed scholar key kehnay per new deen "Roshan Kheal" ejad kia hay

"Roshan Kheal" ki jitni bateen ki jati haan , tv etc per sub key pechay Ghamdi ki taleemat karfarma hoti haan


bakool un key

Aj kal perda zaroor naeen
Ayat ki samj aj tak kisi ko naeen ai thee lakin un ko aa gi hay
Ahadees ki kisi ko samj naeen aai thee lakin un ko aa gai hay

Hazrat Essa AS wafat paa chukey haan and un ka wapis ana sabit naeen just like Qadiani say

Nachana Gana halal hay
Tasaweer banana halal hay

darahi rakna sunnat naeen hay

ahadees ko check kernay ka criteria sirf dill hay. jo dusrt lagey wo correct , jo na lagey wo wrong

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

Yahan saari baat yeh ho rahi hai ke aql ko deen ke mutabiq hona chahiyay ya deen ko aql ke mutabiq?
Daikhiyay deen ko aql ke mutabiq morna to kisi bhi halat main darust nahin hai,aur main ne kal jo ghamidi sahib ka programme daikha hai us main unhon ne bhi aisi kisi baat ko promote nahin kiya.
Asl cheez yeh hai ke aql ka istaimaal kahan hona chahiyay,aur yeh istaimaal deen ko samajhnay main hona chahiyay.
Ghamidi sahib ke baqoul fuqaha jab aisa kartay hain to yeh ho sakta hai ke un main ikhtilaf ho,ab ya to ham khud tahqeeq karain ya jo tahqeeqat ho chuki hain un main se kisi se ittefaq karain.
Maira khiyal hai is main koi aisi buri baat nahin hai.Main mask ki is baat se bhi ittefaq kart hoon ke faisla karnay se pahlay hamain sab muhaqiqeen ka muta'ala karna chahiyay.
Maira ikhtilaaf yeh hai ke tahqeeq ka rasta rokna ghalat hai aur lafz "Fitna" ka istaimal kisi bhi muhaqiq ke liyay nahin hona chahiyay.
Is se qabl islamic history main jitnay logon ko fitna kaha gaya dar asl general muslims ke paas inke dalil ka koi jawab nahin tha lihaza unhain "fitna" keh kar qatl ke fatway laga diyay gaye.
Main sirf yeh kahna chahti hoon ke ikhtalaf ko bardasht karna seekhain,ikhtalaf ko rahmat yunhi nahin kaha gaya hai,is se deen ke naye angles wazah hotay hain,jo is se qabl numayan na ho sakay.

:em:

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

Abdul wahab and The Mask seem to be logical at their point. Khalil as usual beating about the bushes :hehe: ho sakta he ke wo bhi apnay point pe sahi ho, lekin wo apna nukta-e-nazar sahi se wazeh kerne mein kaamyab nahi ho saka.

But still i have not studied the material by Javed Ahmad Ghamdi, inshallah jald he perh ke apni aarah pesh karon ga :)

yaar hum loag aik banda jo thori see mukhtilif baat kerta hay os k khilaf khamkhaw hee hu jaty hian..................

aur main ghamdi sahib ko es liy pasand kernta hun k un ka Point of view buhat hee Jadeed hay aur main khudh anything change ka kail hun aur un sy mujy buhat hee achy achy changes mily hian.....
aisy loag sadion baad hee paida huty hian...
theek hay her aadmi kee apni pasand huti hian.....apna personal huta hay aapni thoughts huti hain mager yeh zarori nahi hum sab kee many ya pher sab kee sab radd ker dain.....

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

For everyone

Shenshay Hind AKbar ney apney namm nehad ulma ki rahey sey islam ko tarak ker key Deen elahi ejad kia tha
same isi tarah pakistan key shenshay Pak Pervaiz Musharaf ney Ghamdi jesay self proclaimed scholar key kehnay per new deen "Roshan Kheal" ejad kia hay

"Roshan Kheal" ki jitni bateen ki jati haan , tv etc per sub key pechay Ghamdi ki taleemat karfarma hoti haan


bakool un key

Aj kal perda zaroor naeen
Ayat ki samj aj tak kisi ko naeen ai thee lakin un ko aa gi hay
Ahadees ki kisi ko samj naeen aai thee lakin un ko aa gai hay

Hazrat Essa AS wafat paa chukey haan and un ka wapis ana sabit naeen just like Qadiani say

Nachana Gana halal hay
Tasaweer banana halal hay

darahi rakna sunnat naeen hay

ahadees ko check kernay ka criteria sirf dill hay. jo dusrt lagey wo correct , jo na lagey wo wrong

yeh bee kisi kisi ka kaam hay...............her koi selfproclaimed nahi hu sakta....

[Shaim]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

For everyone

Shenshay Hind AKbar ney apney namm nehad ulma ki rahey sey islam ko tarak ker key Deen elahi ejad kia tha
same isi tarah pakistan key shenshay Pak Pervaiz Musharaf ney Ghamdi jesay self proclaimed scholar key kehnay per new deen "Roshan Kheal" ejad kia hay

"Roshan Kheal" ki jitni bateen ki jati haan , tv etc per sub key pechay Ghamdi ki taleemat karfarma hoti haan


bakool un key

Aj kal perda zaroor naeen
Ayat ki samj aj tak kisi ko naeen ai thee lakin un ko aa gi hay
Ahadees ki kisi ko samj naeen aai thee lakin un ko aa gai hay

Hazrat Essa AS wafat paa chukey haan and un ka wapis ana sabit naeen just like Qadiani say

Nachana Gana halal hay
Tasaweer banana halal hay

darahi rakna sunnat naeen hay

ahadees ko check kernay ka criteria sirf dill hay. jo dusrt lagey wo correct , jo na lagey wo wrong

look.........phir bhi kuch log usko thiik kehte hain
or ik buhat acchi baat k KHL bhai ne is issue ko uthaya........k Ghamidi ik thiik or saheee scholar hai........us per debate start hoi coz KHL bhai said k wo isko PROOF ker sakte hain n now look ik person jo is behes per hamare sath larr rahy the k Ghamidi thiik nahi hai.........wo is jaga ko choor k ja chuky hain......

n now KHL Bhai say k maine to yuunhi ye discussion start ki thi

i m feeling somthing really bad...:fuming:
shaid everything is RABBISH n nothing else:fuming:

[Shaim]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

yaar hum loag aik banda jo thori see mukhtilif baat kerta hay os k khilaf khamkhaw hee hu jaty hian..................

aur main ghamdi sahib ko es liy pasand kernta hun k un ka Point of view buhat hee Jadeed hay aur main khudh anything change ka kail hun aur un sy mujy buhat hee achy achy changes mily hian.....
aisy loag sadion baad hee paida huty hian...
theek hay her aadmi kee apni pasand huti hian.....apna personal huta hay aapni thoughts huti hain mager yeh zarori nahi hum sab kee many ya pher sab kee sab radd ker dain.....

aise log na hi peda hoon to ziada behter hai:fuming:
or apko unki acchi bat lagi kiya?


k QURAN ko perhte waqt dil ki suno?
gany suno?:fuming:
parda na karo?:fuming:
Darhi SUNNAT nahi?:fuming:
ISLAM KO APNY MUTABIQ LE KER CHALO?
:fuming:
bus yahi?

[Mr. Sialkoty]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

aise log na hi peda hoon to ziada behter hai:fuming:
or apko unki acchi bat lagi kiya?


k QURAN ko perhte waqt dil ki suno?
gany suno?:fuming:
parda na karo?:fuming:
Darhi SUNNAT nahi?:fuming:
ISLAM KO APNY MUTABIQ LE KER CHALO?
:fuming:
bus yahi?

Good shot meri shairni :tasali:

aap ko 4000 hits pe bhi congrats :salam:

[Mr. Sialkoty]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

yaar hum loag aik banda jo thori see mukhtilif baat kerta hay os k khilaf khamkhaw hee hu jaty hian..................

aur main ghamdi sahib ko es liy pasand kernta hun k un ka Point of view buhat hee Jadeed hay aur main khudh anything change ka kail hun aur un sy mujy buhat hee achy achy changes mily hian.....
aisy loag sadion baad hee paida huty hian...
theek hay her aadmi kee apni pasand huti hian.....apna personal huta hay aapni thoughts huti hain mager yeh zarori nahi hum sab kee many ya pher sab kee sab radd ker dain.....

haan hamein khawa makhwa kisi ke khilaaf nahi hona chahiye...is liye mein bhi us ke khilaaf nahi hota...mein ne usay boltay huay dekha he, abi tak mujay is ki discussion achi lagi...haan albata ager kahan kuch flaw nazaar aaye ga to zaroor boolon ga...waise bhi us ke baray mein remarks dene se pehlay ke nazriyaat ki study lazmi he

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

aise log na hi peda hoon to ziada behter hai:fuming:
or apko unki acchi bat lagi kiya?


k QURAN ko perhte waqt dil ki suno?
gany suno?:fuming:
parda na karo?:fuming:
Darhi SUNNAT nahi?:fuming:
ISLAM KO APNY MUTABIQ LE KER CHALO?
:fuming:
bus yahi?

:fuming:
Dear ME HERE......es main sy aik bee bee Ghamdi sahib ka zati nazria nahi.
aur jo batian bee wo karty hian Quran sunat aur fika main reh ker kerty hian...ap ko be ghalt fehmi lag gai hay.

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

Good shot meri shairni :tasali:

aap ko 4000 hits pe bhi congrats :salam:

yeh jo too ny esy shairni kaha hay....yeh kis kitab main likha hay?
sharam ker yaar aik aurat ko janwar ka lakab dy raha hay:budhu:

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

look.........phir bhi kuch log usko thiik kehte hain
or ik buhat acchi baat k KHL bhai ne is issue ko uthaya........k Ghamidi ik thiik or saheee scholar hai........us per debate start hoi coz KHL bhai said k wo isko PROOF ker sakte hain n now look ik person jo is behes per hamare sath larr rahy the k Ghamidi thiik nahi hai.........wo is jaga ko choor k ja chuky hain......

n now KHL Bhai say k maine to yuunhi ye discussion start ki thi

i m feeling somthing really bad...:fuming:
shaid everything is RABBISH n nothing else:fuming:

ary nahi buhat kuch hy es main ...:mm:

[Mr. Sialkoty]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

yeh jo too ny esy shairni kaha hay....yeh kis kitab main likha hay?
sharam ker yaar aik aurat ko janwar ka lakab dy raha hay:budhu:

she is my sister, pyaar se mein jo chahay karon tujay kia :slap:

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: MUBAHISA: Javaid Ahmad Ghamidi ??

she is my sister, pyaar se mein jo chahay karon tujay kia

ary tujy nahi pata aisi jagoon per sister shister kuch nai huta yeh too ny hee kaha tha/:slap: