SACTARIANISM who is right can some one tell me

[sarfraz_qamar]

sab see pehaly salam to all
aap nee jo yeh silsila shorro kia heyy yehh boht zabardast heyy
meraa aap see yeh sawal tha "Isalm Firqa Bandee(sectarianism) ke ijazat nahee detaa pher bhee aaj ham in firqoon main taqseem hain koi Sunee heyy to koii Shia to koi kuch aor ..........
meraa aap see yeh sawal heyy keh Fiqa kee mutabiq jab Firqa bandee jaiz nahee to kisee aik Firqa per amal ker kee ham deen aor akhrit main kamiab kesee hoo saktee hain..... aorr aaj kee door main sahee Islam per amal kesee kia jaa sakta aheyy
thx
sarfraz chouhdary

[aabi2cool]

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sab see pehaly salam to all
aap nee jo yeh silsila shorro kia heyy yehh boht zabardast heyy
meraa aap see yeh sawal tha "Isalm Firqa Bandee(sectarianism) ke ijazat nahee detaa pher bhee aaj ham in firqoon main taqseem hain koi Sunee heyy to koii Shia to koi kuch aor ..........
meraa aap see yeh sawal heyy keh Fiqa kee mutabiq jab Firqa bandee jaiz nahee to kisee aik Firqa per amal ker kee ham deen aor akhrit main kamiab kesee hoo saktee hain..... aorr aaj kee door main sahee Islam per amal kesee kia jaa sakta aheyy
thx
sarfraz chouhdary

aslamo alykom sarfraz sahib, sab se pehly aap ko pegham aur phir islam section main khush amdeed....
aap ka sawal waqae hi gaur talab hy aur mujhy andaza hy k is sawal k pas manzar main aap k andar kitna dard aur fikar hy ummty muslima kiliye ..aur ye hy bhi lamhae fikria k ummte muslima bajay ittihad k groh dar groh taqseem hoti jar rahi hy.....
main aap ko is sawal ka tafseeli jawab zaroor deta magar mery khial main fiqa section ki bunyad hamary roz marah ka amoomi masail k hal kiliye rakhi gai hy jab k aap ka sawal sari ummat ka aik khas masla hy is liye meri ray k mutabik aap is thred ko behso mubahisa section main laga deen...tak sab log is main hisa lain aur gaour kareen aur un wajohat ka hal soucheen jin ki wajhas eaaj ummat main ye sheraza bandi hy..ummeed hy aap meri baat samjh gay hon gay w/salaam aabi

[sarfraz_qamar]

Re: my question

thanx for reply aabee jee i undersatand what u wanted to ask but i think mian ne yehh sawal boht jaghoon per aor boht ulma ee dinn se kia heyy but koi bhee mujheyy iss matter main satisfy nahee ker sakaa,,,,
jiss see bhee iss kee barain main poochain woh apnee Firqa ko right batataa heyyyyyyyyyyy

[sarfraz_qamar]

SACTARIANISM who is right can some one tell me

"Isalm Firqa Bandee(sectarianism) ke ijazat nahee detaa pher bhee aaj ham in firqoon main taqseem hain koi Sunee heyy to koii Shia to koi kuch aor ..........
meraa aap see yeh sawal heyy keh Fiqa kee mutabiq jab Firqa bandee jaiz nahee to kisee aik Firqa per amal ker kee ham deen aor akhrit main kamiab kesee hoo saktee hain..... aorr aaj kee door main sahee Islam per amal kesee kia jaa sakta aheyy
thx
sarfraz chouhdary

[Muhammad Khalil]

Re: SACTARIANISM who is right can some one tell me

i am sory to say...............pehly main pure suni tha pher kuch arsa k liy shiya k sath raha taka kuch jaan sakoon..pher suni main aur dilchaspe lee...jab dekha to sunni main bee pher 4 tarah k qaneen hian...to main ny pher yeh aik personaly faisla kia k aab......siraf aik muslim huna pary ga mujy......firka parasti sy paak............
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main ny apny jinty bee sofiaa e akram ko para hay sab ny siraf muhabat ka pegham dia hay....na k kisi firkay ka...............humain as muslim aik Pegham Muhabbat ka sab insaano ko punchana chayee...
sab insaan barabr hain
"" Makhlook ALLAH ka kunba hay""
Hamara Pegham Muhabbat.

[aabi2cool]

Re: my question

thanx for reply aabee jee i undersatand what u wanted to ask but i think mian ne yehh sawal boht jaghoon per aor boht ulma ee dinn se kia heyy but koi bhee mujheyy iss matter main satisfy nahee ker sakaa,,,,
jiss see bhee iss kee barain main poochain woh apnee Firqa ko right batataa heyyyyyyyyyyy

aslamo alykom bhai , aap nay bilkul theek akha k har koi apny aap ko theek kehta hy kion k ye natral se baat hy .koi bhi khud ko ghlat aqeedy par to kabhi naheen na samjhta zahir hy jis ny jo aqeeda apnaya hy suy theek hi samjh kar apnaya hy na..
ab ye to anheen hosakta k aik shakhas janty bojhty aik ghalat aqeeda apna lay aur wo ye kahy k main theek hon....
bahar hal agar aap ijazat daien to main aap k is sawal ko behso mubahisa section mian move kardon..?

[Z.]

Re: my question

sab see pehaly salam to all
aap nee jo yeh silsila shorro kia heyy yehh boht zabardast heyy
meraa aap see yeh sawal tha "Isalm Firqa Bandee(sectarianism) ke ijazat nahee detaa pher bhee aaj ham in firqoon main taqseem hain koi Sunee heyy to koii Shia to koi kuch aor ..........
meraa aap see yeh sawal heyy keh Fiqa kee mutabiq jab Firqa bandee jaiz nahee to kisee aik Firqa per amal ker kee ham deen aor akhrit main kamiab kesee hoo saktee hain..... aorr aaj kee door main sahee Islam per amal kesee kia jaa sakta aheyy
thx
sarfraz chouhdary

walaikum salam

Islam mey koi firqa bandi nahi hai........Islam bas Islam hai......is mey koi divisions nahi hien......


"aur meyri rassi ko mazbooti sey thaamey raho aur tafarkey mey na perho" ..

ab aaj key daur mey itney firqey kyun hein.....wo hamein Rasool ALlah (s.a.w) ki hadees sey bhi pata chalti hai jis key mafoom hai key musalmano key 73 firqey ho jayein gey.....


coming to your Q...key

kisee aik Firqa per amal ker kee ham deen aor akhrit main kamiab kesee hoo saktee hain..... aorr aaj kee door main sahee Islam per amal kesee kia jaa sakta aheyy

Musalman wo hai jo Quran aur Sunnah ko follow karey .........to aap kisi firqey ko follow nahi ker rahey hein balkey aap Islam ko follow ker rahey hein

ab aaj kal hamein ye mushkil zaroor hai key itney firqon mey where do we stand...........kis ki baat sunein kis ki na sunein....even islamic books bhi hum aankh band ker key nahi khareed saktey hein... hamein kya kerna chahiye....


Islam ki bunyaad paanch cheezon per rakhi gai hai........is key sath sath aap Quran perhain with translation.......sirf translation key sath.........phir tafseer baad mey.....aik ba tadreej tarekey sey

islamic books perhain .......islamic history.........to build up your own knowledge of Islam ta key aap ko khud ilm ho key Islam hai kya......theek

Dr. Zakir Naik ney is ki barhi achi example di thi

farz karein aap ki garhi kharab hai ...aap issey theek karaney garage mey ley ker jaatey hein....ab agar wo banda aap sey ye kahey key aap ki garhi ko theek kerney key liye mujhey 1kg chawal, 1kg oil, etc ki zaroorat hai to aap kya karein gey?

aap us ki ye baat sawal hi nahi paida hota key maan lein ...........kyoon?
coz aap garhi theek kerna nahi jaantey magar atleast aap ko ye to ilm hai key garhi theek kerney key liye in sab cheezon ki qatai zarooat nahi hai ? right....

issi tarhan aap Scholar nahi hein leykin atleast hamein ye to pata hona chaiye na key Islam hai kya ...........ta key agar hum kisi bhi Aalim key paas jayein apna Q ley ker to wo hamein mislead na ker sakey


see.....


happy learning inshAllah

[Mr. Sialkoty]

Re: SACTARIANISM who is right can some one tell me

Serfraz miyaan aap ne acha masla uthaya he...bulke mein to yeh kahon ga ke yeh masla to puri umat-e-muslama ka he...we find a lot of confused souls when it comes to sectarianism...bohat se loogon ko pata nahi chalta ke wo kis firkay ya maslak ko follow karein...ager aap waqei keen ho to mein aap se kuch suggestion don ga wo yeh ke sub se pehlay aap

Quran ka mutaleya keejiye (tarjma-o-tashreeh ke saath)

Phir Ahadees ka mutaleya keejiye

aap ki bohat saari uljanein sulaj jaein gein.

Mere ghar mein sabi Ahl-e-sunat-o-jamat se taaluq rakhtay thay...mein ne kuch study ki, aur dekha ke is is mein sunnat sirf naam ki he...mein ne study ki to Ahl-e-Hadees ko islaam ke kareeb-tar paaya. Isi tarah mere bhai behnon ne bhi jub study ki to unhon ne bhi turn lia.

Khair mein apne aap ko Ehl-e-Hadees ya Ehl-e-Sunnat ki bajaye musalman kehalwana pasand kerta hoon...aap Quran, hadees, fiqah, aur sabi maslakon ko study keejiye aur dekhiye, bus aik baat dehaan mein rakhiye ga ke Bidat ki taraf na jaiye ga...aur Allah se duaa keejiye ga ke wo aap ko seedha raasta dikhaye...Inshallah Khuda aap ko zaroor seedha rasta dikhaye ga.

Aaj ager mein apne ird-gird nazar doorata hoon to yeh pata hoon ke islaam ka perchaar kerne walay bohat se naam-nehaad musalmanon ne he apne ilm ki kami ki waja se islam ko misinterpret ker ke pesh kia he, aur us ka output yeh he ke bohat si confused souls hein, jo islaam ke asoolon pe to chalna chahtay hein lekin unhein yeh nahi pata ke islam der-hakeekat hay kia

[Z.]

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Mmm sialkoty

mey ney aik cheez deykhi hai Pakistan mey.........her firqey ki apni masjid......kisi aik firqey key log doosrey firqey key imam key peechey namaz hi nahi perhna chahtey hein...........sab kuch blindly follow ho rhaa hai.........

its a good thing key aap ney khudi islam ka muta'leya kiya.... (Y)

[sarfraz_qamar]

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salam to all friends
sab see pehlay tamam sathionn ka thanx jinhoon nee meraa sawal parhaa aor jawab bhee dia.... xenya jee aap nee doctor Zakir Naik walee joo example dia woh mujheyy boht pasand aayaaa....
main sirf aik Muslman bann ker rehnaa chahtaa hoo jiss main firqa bandee naa hoo but problm yehh heyy keh aap kalk different Frqoon walee apnee firqa kee tarf bulatee hain aorr kehtay hain keh yehee theek hayy waghairaa waghairaaa,,,,,,,
aorr kehtay hain keh hamaree hee Firqa kee peechay namz jayez heyy kisee 2nd kee peechay nahee jabkeh meraa yehh khial heyy kehh insan kisee bhee firqaa kee imam kee peechayy namaz parheyy uss kee namaz hoo jatee haii aorr main aisaa hee kertaa hoon mujhay jahan bhee waqt milee jiss masjid main mile aor jiss bhee imam kee peechay namaz perhh letaa hoo................kubkeh main kisee bhee firqaa koo dill see ghalt nahee samjhtaa hoo saktaa heyy kehh aap iss see agree naa karain..............................
main chahtaa hoo kehh hamaree anderr see yeh sactarianismm khatam hoo jayeeeeee hamm sabb koo mill ker koshish kernee hoo gee keh iss kaa khatmaa kia jayee iss silsilaa main main kuch suggestion pesh ker rahaa hoo meraa yehee khial haii keh agar hamm inn perr dil aor sachee neet see amal karain to hamaree andar see yehh Firqa wariat khatm hoo saktee heyy

1 agar hamm Khana Kabba main eikk imam kee peechay tamam maslak walee namaz perhh saktee hain to apnee country pakistan main kunn nahee hamian apnee Masajid koo sunee shiaa yaa wahbee kee masajid kehnay kee bajaeyy sirf muslims kee masajid samjhainn
2 hoo sakeyy to eik Firqa see talwq rakhney walee muslman 2 firqaa see talq rakhnee wale emuslmanoo kee masajid main jaa ker namaz khasoosan Namaz e Jumma parhain iss see dillon main joo nafrat heyy khatm hoo jayee gee
3 qatal kisee bhe firqa ke amazeen kaa kaa hoo sabb muslims uss kaa soog manainn aor qatoon kee muzmat karain
4 kisee bhee muslman koo KAFIR matt kahin islam main to kafir koo bhee kafir kehneyy kaa hukam nahee heyy ham kesee eik muslman koo kafir kehh saktee hain
5 FIRQAWATIAT kee aag koo bharkanee see aprhaizz karain
6 kisee bhee kism kaa Firqawariat per mabnee literature parhney see ijtnab katrainn
aakhir main itnaa kahoon gaa KHUDA kee liey aaj hee tamam muslman aaj hee namaz perh ker yehh waddaa karain keh Baqool Iqbal woh Madina aor Najf kee khak koo aankh kaa surmaa banain gee naa kehh apnee damin koo aikk doosree kee khoon see daghdar aor apnee dill koo 2 FIrqoon ke khilaf Zahr see aaloddao kertee rahain
duaoon kaa talib
sarfraz chouhdary

[Z.]

Re: SACTARIANISM who is right can some one tell me

salam to all friends


sab see pehlay tamam sathionn ka thanx jinhoon nee meraa sawal parhaa aor jawab bhee dia.... xenya jee aap nee doctor Zakir Naik walee joo example dia woh mujheyy boht pasand aayaaa....

walaikum salam

mey aap sey ye kahun gi key Dr. Zakir Naik ko zaroor sunein ....:thmbup:

1 agar hamm Khana Kabba main eikk imam kee peechay tamam maslak walee namaz perhh saktee hain to apnee country pakistan main kunn nahee hamian apnee Masajid koo sunee shiaa yaa wahbee kee masajid kehnay kee bajaeyy sirf muslims kee masajid samjhainn
2 hoo sakeyy to eik Firqa see talwq rakhney walee muslman 2 firqaa see talq rakhnee wale emuslmanoo kee masajid main jaa ker namaz khasoosan Namaz e Jumma parhain iss see dillon main joo nafrat heyy khatm hoo jayee gee
3 qatal kisee bhe firqa ke amazeen kaa kaa hoo sabb muslims uss kaa soog manainn aor qatoon kee muzmat karain
4 kisee bhee muslman koo KAFIR matt kahin islam main to kafir koo bhee kafir kehneyy kaa hukam nahee heyy ham kesee eik muslman koo kafir kehh saktee hain
5 FIRQAWATIAT kee aag koo bharkanee see aprhaizz karain
6 kisee bhee kism kaa Firqawariat per mabnee literature parhney see ijtnab katrainn

good points....:thmbup:

[Mr. Sialkoty]

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Mmm sialkoty

mey ney aik cheez deykhi hai Pakistan mey.........her firqey ki apni masjid......kisi aik firqey key log doosrey firqey key imam key peechey namaz hi nahi perhna chahtey hein...........sab kuch blindly follow ho rhaa hai.........

its a good thing key aap ney khudi islam ka muta'leya kiya.... (Y)

Exactly, aap ne bilkul sahi highlight kia...jahan tak mere taaluq he to mein Sunni (deyo bandi, barehlawi) aur Ehl-e-hadees ki masjid mein ja ke namaz perh leta hoon, mere saath aisa koi masla nahi he...lekin aik masla yeh he ke jis banday ka akeeda sahi na ho, us ke peechay namaz jaiz nahi hoti...aur is tarah kuch loog yeh samajtay hein ke doosray maslak key amam ke peechay namaz nahi ho gi...yeh aik complex issue he...aur unfortunately is ki waja se musalmaan aapis mein batay huay hein.

Aur jahan Khana Kaba mein aik amam ke peechay namaz perhnay ka taaluq he to mein yeh kahon ga ke yeh wo jagah he, jahan se islaam phoota...aur sabi loog chahay wo kisi bhi maslak (firkay) se taaluq rakhtay hoon wahan aa ke un mein imteyaaz khatam ho jata he...aur yeh bari khush-aaind baat he.

Lagta he ke aap Dr. Zakir ko sunti hein...aur mere bhi bohat se concepts Dr. Zakir Naik ki takareer sun ke sahi huay...bulke mein to ub yeh keh sakta hoon ke Dr. Zakir Naik ki shayad he koi takreer ho jo mein ne na suni ho :) He is a true muslim...bulke mein yeh kahon ga ke wo door-e-hazir mein islam ki jitni khidmat ker raha he itni khidmat shayad koi aur nahi ker raha :)

[Z.]

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Exactly, aap ne bilkul sahi highlight kia...jahan tak mere taaluq he to mein Sunni (deyo bandi, barehlawi) aur Ehl-e-hadees ki masjid mein ja ke namaz perh leta hoon, mere saath aisa koi masla nahi he...lekin aik masla yeh he ke jis banday ka akeeda sahi na ho, us ke peechay namaz jaiz nahi hoti...aur is tarah kuch loog yeh samajtay hein ke doosray maslak key amam ke peechay namaz nahi ho gi...yeh aik complex issue he...aur unfortunately is ki waja se musalmaan aapis mein batay huay hein.

sahih bukhari mey ney aik hadees perhi thi issi issue per......i'll try to find it out inshAllah....

Aur jahan Khana Kaba mein aik amam ke peechay namaz perhnay ka taaluq he to mein yeh kahon ga ke yeh wo jagah he, jahan se islaam phoota...aur sabi loog chahay wo kisi bhi maslak (firkay) se taaluq rakhtay hoon wahan aa ke un mein imteyaaz khatam ho jata he...aur yeh bari khush-aaind baat he.

yep!!

Lagta he ke aap Dr. Zakir ko sunti hein...aur mere bhi bohat se concepts Dr. Zakir Naik ki takareer sun ke sahi huay...bulke mein to ub yeh keh sakta hoon ke Dr. Zakir Naik ki shayad he koi takreer ho jo mein ne na suni ho :) He is a true muslim...bulke mein yeh kahon ga ke wo door-e-hazir mein islam ki jitni khidmat ker raha he itni khidmat shayad koi aur nahi ker raha :)

ab tak mey ney sirf 3-4 lectures hi suney hein magar he is MashAllah v convincing or wo is liye key wo Quran aur Hadees key references sey baat kertey hein.....:thmbup:

[sarfraz_qamar]

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[quote=Xenya;303404]walaikum salam

mey aap sey ye kahun gi key Dr. Zakir Naik ko zaroor sunein ....:thmbup:



sab seh pehlay thanx that u read it
main aksar Dr Zakir Naik koo suntaa hoo he is my favourite islamic scholar

[sarfraz_qamar]

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good points....:thmbup:[/quote]
thanx taht u appreciate these points but the prb is that we just appreciate it how can we act upon those points
plz gave suggestions:cc: